And the operative word is "Time"! That of God's time and timing. AND "God's Timeline, Amazing Facts and Coincidences (or are they?)"!Here are some posts from the past and subjects of scriptural "time" that I have been teaching on consistently since then. The only difference from then to now is the progressive understanding that involves these aspects of time that God has given me back then to now! A lot of well meaning but bad doctrine, did the Lord have to change my mind and heart about through His Word over the last 13-14 years!The posts I'm providing are from the year 2000-06, and just some excerpts from the long ones!BUT, one will notice that from the passing of Rosh/ Feast of Trumpets in 2000 and the Lord opening up the Time of Jacobs trouble from the scriptures, that I have never had to give up on it or the timing of it beginning in 1993 to its fulfillment in 2014! The same for the Years of plenty and famine for Joseph! They were always from 1993 to 2000 and 2000 to 2007!And you can see the reason for my NON excitement of the 777.68 on Sept 29, 2008! I had already been teaching on these 3 sevens as they relate to TIME! Just as the sign itself is related to "time"! It was the TIME for the market to close that God produced this result! Not of Judgment! As in the seals, trumpets, vials! All this was to me was CONFIRMATORY of what I had been given to preach concerning Christ's Coming at the end of this time!And on the day this happened (29/30 Sept) in 2008, is when I told my wife that it is now time to make the last video of God's Timeline, Amazing Facts and Coincidences...etc. and have my son make the website for it!So, as you will see from the following, my doctrine has changed dramatically in what some call progressive revelation/ understanding, but the timing for the fulfillment to Christ's Coming and KINGDOM (not rapture) has never changed. It just kept getting more exciting with the understanding of it growing all the time.12 Sep 2000
Phil Rogers Phil Rogers (12 Sep)
"God's Timeline"Thank you John. I know that I sent you part of this (unfinished) 8 mo. to a year ago, but the most important was still to come.John, as always, I'm gratefull to you and all the DOVES for the forum that you provide. It is such a Godsend. Please feel free to post this since people have so graciously responded to my post for help..In our Lord's soon return,
Thanks Phil. I have not converted the Winword document into HTML format for the WWW. However, interested readers may download the DOC file here: God's Timeline (871k).Phil, your introduction is very interesting!John28 Aug 2000
HubDad HubDad (28 Aug)
"Coincidence or Confirmation?"Coincidence or Confirmation?On Aug. 24th, I was surfing through some of the web sites that a few brothers and sisters in Christ were so gracious to send me. The reason being that I had lost nearly all of my bookmarks to these sites. What I had discovered the next day was in my opinion just short of miraculous.Let me preface this by stating that I am the author of the "manuscript"- "God's Timeline, Amazing Facts and Coincidences (or are they)". A lot of people reading this will recognize the title. The last chapter that was added to this manuscript is titled ["The Seal of Jerusalem" and the Signs of the Times"]. In that chapter I make reference to the 3 symbols that comprise that "Seal" and to the numerical values that the "Seal" represents. The numerical values are as follows; at the top is the Menorah, with a biblical numerical value of 7. Next is the star of David with the value of 12. And last is the Fish and its value of 5. Added together (7+12+5=) they total 24!Later in that chapter dealing with the "Signs of the Times", I point out that there have been 7 total solar eclipses, an alignment of the planets (7 of them, referred to as a Menorah) that happened 2 times, and the moon turning to "blood" 3 times (total lunar eclipse). All of these have occurred within the last 10 years. These coincide with the 7 seal, 7 trumpet, 7 bowls and 3 woes in the book of the Revelation. When you add these together (7+7+7+3=) they total 24!Just as the title of my manuscript-book states "Amazing facts and Coincidences (or are they)", the conclusion is always up to the reader.If anyone reading this is asking himself or herself, how can I get a copy of this manuscript, all you need to do is e-mail me (Phil) at HUBDAD@AOL.com and request the book for an e-mail download. Or if you need a copy on floppy disk (1), be sure to give your name and address and I will mail you a copy as soon as I can. In looking for our blessed Lord and Savior's return, Phil.28 June 2000Phil Rogers (28 June)
"This will "knock your socks off""Six months ago, many of you requested and received a copy of my "book-manuscript" titled "God's Timeline; Amazing facts and Coincidences (or are they)". At that time I told many of you that it was unfinished. Wellâ€¦ it's finished now. The last two completed chapters, -"Psalms 100 and its Prophetic Ties" along with the last and most mind boggling that will "knock your socks off being "The Seal of Jerusalem and the Signs of the Times" is ready.
You can receive a copy of this info as before by E-mailing me at HUBDAD@AOL.com. Just request what you want, updated "book" or the last two chapters together, or individually. I send these files out in Word97, but if you need it in Word 6.0/95 please request that format. In looking for our Blessed Savior's return, yours in Christ Jesus, Phil.Phil Rogers ( 6 Dec)
"Epilogue to God's Timeline- Done"Hello John, and all the "Doves". I have finished (finally) with the Epilogue to "God's Timeline, Amazing Facts and Coincidences (or are they?)". It can be recieved as before by e-mail to HUBDAD@AOL.com Just ask for "Epilogue" or "God's Timeline" (which has the Epilogue at the back) and I will send it ASAP. I have to thank the Lord for this insight and Chrissa Beck for all of her help in proof reads etc. I wouldn't have been done by this time without her. John, since you have recieved a copy of my manuscript already, I'm attaching a copy of the Epilogue for you. God bless you and your site, promoting the soon return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. In Christ's name, Phil Rogers
9 Dec 2000Phil Rogers (9 Dec)
"God's News Behind the News"I had gotten up early this morning and was watching the previous days telecast of "God's News Behind the News" (Joe Van Koevering- sp.The host) that I had taped. What was being discussed was the timeframe of God for Israel. The guest, Bill Cloud, refers to Gen.29 and the labor of Jacob for Rachael. His remark is that of Israel already having labored for 7 years (Oslo Peace Accord), and "the stage is set for the final 7 years"!Unfortunately, they (Bill & Joe) didn't take God's Word "literally" enough. Because, the Bible says in Gen.29, that "Jacob's Trouble" are a set of 3 CONSECUTIVE sets of 7 years. They don't take this part of God's Word literally. I DO!!The wonderful thing is that this broadcast aired only 5 days after I had originally sent out posts to Christian forums and message boards (like this one) concerning this exact Biblical reference.Time is short, but I praise God that this understanding is getting out to a wider audience (via TV). The material that "God's Newsâ€¦" briefly discussed, I go into a more literal review in the "Epilogue to God's Timeline". To receive a copy of this material; e-mail me at HUBDAD@AOL.com and ask for EITHER "Epilogue" (the end of the manuscript-book) OR the full book, "God's Timeline, Amazing Facts and Coincidences (or are they?)". In looking for our Blessed Hope, Phil Rogers.Phil Rogers (9 Dec)
"Epilogue to "God's Timeline"Epilogue to "God’s Timeline…"By; Phil Rogers (HUBDAD@AOL.com)After the passing of Rosh Hashanah and the obvious disappointment of still being here, and not with the Lord, I had a lot of questions and time of prayer to Lord. The main 2 questions to the Lord were-why not at this time? And, how long Lord?"The Time of Jacob’s Trouble"The phrase, "the time of Jacob's trouble" is found only one-time in the Bible (K J V). That to being in Jeremiah 30:7! I know, many of you do not believe that God has worked or ordained the order or separation of the books and chapters and verses. However, consider this remarkable "coincidence" then. Jeremiah is the 24th book of the Bible. Does the number 24 ring a bell? See-"The Seal of Jerusalem"! The number 30 is referred to in the Chapter number. It is the total (3) completion of God in time and number (10). Or, 3 x10. In fact, if you look at the 3 verses in context to the time of Jacob's trouble, to the millennium, and David-Christ the King (verses 7+8+9) they also add up to 24! But, we find this seven year period of "time" that is in reference to the last week (seven years) of Daniel’s 70 weeks, in verse 7! Yeah-just coincidence!The Lord has said, "I declare the end from the beginning" (Isa. 46:9-10). So let's go to the book of "Beginnings"-Genesis to find the pattern and type (definition) of the "end" time of Jacob's trouble. This is found Genesis 29:9-30. For the sake of time and space, I'm going to make this short.So what does the "Time of Jacob's trouble" look-like on a time line? Here it is.1993 2000 20077 years of plenty 7 years of famineDo the two sets of seven years (different but consecutive) show up in the seven years of famine and the seven years of plenty, depict what is happening now? I believe that they do. However, because of time, I must give "Highlights" with Scripture. There's so much in these accounts referring to both Jacob's-Israel and the church in the world (Egypt). This account is found in Genesis 41:46 through Genesis 42... to be very brief, we see the seven years of famine in Egypt (Chapter 41:46-52). This gathering of the plenty by Joseph (type of Christ) is likened to the spreading of the gospel throughout the world. And a plenteous seven years monetarily (stock-market-bull run), along with a pseudo peace in Israel (Oslo peace accord) is seen in the first seven years of plenty in Egypt (the world).Take notice that God did not call out his people to salvation (as in the Egyptian name of Joseph-verse 45; or 5 times 9) over from Egypt (the world) UNTIL the seven years of famine had begun. In Chapter 42:3 is where his brethren (Joseph’s) went to him for salvation (food).My insert now (2011) as was amended (progressive understanding of the scriptures)- in 2002-3. Yes the salvation was in the food/ grain. But what did God say about the famine He would send?Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: Yes, When nothing happened by Rosh of 2000, MANY Christians/ pastors turned their backs on the prophetic word of God! Also Y2-K was the warning of the impending famine years that would come (monetarily) if the world did not prepare as Joseph did with the food!Following is one last chart, showing the BASICS only, of how scripture is lining up with current time and events. Or is it that current events and time are lining up with prophetic scripture?1948 Israel 1967 Israel born I a day unifies Jerusalem fulfilled;19 years/ 40 yrs. Generationchildhood/ Responsible Adulthood20 yrs old and upward 2007
Time of Jacob’s Trouble (3 consecutive 7 yrs.)
The following is the title page from that manuscript (which I sent over a thousand to Doves around the world along with the video VHS presentation) and the tabel of Contents.
Amazing Facts and Coincidences(Or Are They?)Written By:Philip P. RogersQuestions & Comments:E-Mail- HUBDAD@AOL.com
Tele: (909) 874-9902
Introduction Page 1
Contents Page 6
1: Personal History and Testimony Page 9
2: God’s Timeline- Preface Page 12
3: The Numbers of God; Condensed Page 13
4: Examples of Biblical Numerics Page 17(or why I believe they are valid)
5: The Trinity Function Page 20
6: The # 153 Explained in the Old Testament Page 27
7: The Fish & 153 Page 30
8: “The Maximum Time Left Before Page 36Christ’s Return”
9: Explanation to “Maximum Time” Page 41
10: End of “Maximum Time” Page 65
11: Dates of Israel’s Birth Page 67
12: # 153 – Israel & the Church Page 73
13: The Feasts of the Lord Page 79
14: Month-s & Week in God’s Word Page 85
15: The Amazing Book of Luke Page 9416: The “Overlooked Olivet Discourse” Page 106
17: The Days of Daniel Page 139
18: The “Missing” 240 Years Page 144
19: Psalms 100 and it's Prophetic Ties Page 15720: "The Seal of Jerusalem" and the "Signs of Page 170the Times"
21: Conclusion Page 208
22: Epilogue Page 238
23: 70th week of Daniel vrs. The Week of the Page 243“Covenant”
24: The “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” Page 258
25: Why Hanukkah? Page 267
26: The Grammar and Structure of Page 279Daniel 9:24-27
27: The Timeframe of “Jacob’s Trouble”- Page 295“as it was in the DAYS OF NOAH”
28: The “Rapture” what possibly will happen Page 312and Why
From the "revised" (shortened to most pertinent articles in my opinion) copy of "God's Timeline"...etc. Jan. 10th, 2002!
Contents of this fileHistory Confirms Prophecy Page 3The Days of Daniel Page 14The Missing 240 Years Page 18The 2 Prophetic Time Clocks of God Page 28A “Generation” Page 32The Grammar and Structure of Daniel 9:24- 27 Page 37The 70th Week of Daniel vrs. The Week of theCovenant (by the Antichrist) Page 52The “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” Page 64The Timeframe of Jacob’s Trouble(as it was in the days of Noah!) Page 73The “Seal of Jerusalem” and the“Signs of the Times” Page 89Conclusion (sort of – written in 1999) Page 125The Rapture- What will POSSIBLY happen andWHY? Page 154
Personal Testimony Page 177
Excerpt from 2002!History Confirms ProphecyIt is HISTORY that confirms the validity of Bible prophecy! Whether it be confirmed in full (completed) or in part (in the process of fulfillment). This is CLEARLY seen in that Jesus had to confirm the prophetic scriptures by HISTORY (that which has been fulfilled to date) to the disciples on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-27).(Luke 24:27 KJV) "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."Jesus has something very pertinent to say to His disciples in verse 25. And it is just as applicable today as it was then.(Luke 24:25 KJV) "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"It is very important to know that ALL of the prophetic scriptures MUST be in harmony with one another. If they are not, to your understanding, then there is something wrong with your understanding. There obviously is not something wrong with the scriptures. The disciples confirm this lack of understanding when they tell Jesus;(Luke 24:21 KJV) "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done."They are telling Jesus that they were looking for the “redemption” of Israel from the oppression of the Romans. That they were looking for a “man” (not the Son of God) to be their King on this earth and not the Savior of their souls.(Luke 24:19 KJV) "And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:"They only believed that Jesus was a man- a prophet, in the manner of Moses, Elijah, etc.(bad doctrine-teaching). In that he was to be the Christ- Messiah of an earthly kingdom of peace for the Nation of Israel then and there. Unfortunately, the Jews are still looking for the same type of Christ- Messiah today.The point here is that, History did confirm the prophetic scriptures and also dispelled bad doctrine- teaching when confronted with ALL of the prophetic scriptures.We do see that it was not ALL of the prophetic scriptures (O.T.) that Jesus fulfilled at His 1st Coming, but only the ones that were applicable to His 1st Coming. However, it is the progression of ALL the prophetic Old Testament scriptures that apply to that date that History confirms.Can we see this progressive fulfillment of prophecy being understood, especially in relation to specified TIME elsewhere in the Bible? I believe so. If go to Daniel 9: 24-26, specific TIME is given to the people of Israel. First of all, 70 weeks (of 7years each) are DETERMINED (guaranteed- will not be broken) to the people of Israel and the city of Jerusalem. Now get this very carefully and clearly, what the Lord has told us here.(Dan 9:25 KJV) "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."What was being understood by this time as possible- Jan. 10th 2002!Are we in the “time of Jacob’s trouble”? Without a doubt (at least to me), YES!Are we in Daniel’s 70th week? “ “ “ “ YES!Is there a 7-year “tribulation”? NO!These subjects I have covered in much greater detail in my book/ manuscript.But the reason for these postings was to show people how HISTORY has and IS confirming the prophetic word, just as God has laid it out for us.In looking for our Blessed Hope, the Lord Jesus Christ;Your brother in Christ,Phil Rogers2001Phil Rogers (22 Oct)
"The "Generation""A GenerationLet me try to clear this up as to what is a "generation". First of all,
the generation in question is that last generation that will see the Lord
Jesus Christ coming (visibly and physically) to the earth with His saints
after the end of the 70th week of Daniel AND the "time of Jacob's trouble".
(Luke 21:27 KJV) "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud
with power and great glory."
Phil Rogers (29 May)
"The "Time of Jacob's Trouble" as it was "In the Days of Noah""The Timeframe of “Jacob’s Trouble”as it was, “In The Days of Noah”!written by; Phil RogersThe Lord Jesus was very literal when He referred to the last days (understanding them) “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man” ((Luke 17:26 KJV)
Phil Rogers Phil Rogers (13 Apr)
"Re: to Ron Reese via Greg"Hello Ron and all. I will make this response with primarily questions.
1- stated; "This is in response to your letter. You listed 2 possible dates
for the confirming of the covenant. The 1998 date was Oct. 23, 1998, not
Oct. 28th. Let me assure you that this was the confirming of the Covenant
of Daniel 9:27 and the beginning of the 70th week."
Question- Do you agree that all prophetic scripture involving "time" must
be fulfilled coherently and have full agreement one with another?
Comment- The 70th week of Daniel- Time of Jacob's Trouble is referred to
as "the day of the Lord" (Isa.2:12; 13:6-9 etc..)
Even the jewish scholars agree that the "day of the Lord" follows the "days
of man's dominion" or 6000 years. They also have agreed that the completion
of the year 5760 on their calendar completed 6000 of mans history or
dominion. Their understanding of this is based on Adam and Eve LEAVING the
garden of Eden.
Greg Postel (12 Apr)
"Re: Phil's post on structure of Dan 9:26-27"Phil -I read, then re-read your post on 5 Doves regarding the structure of Daniel
9:26-27 on April 10. It is a VERY GOOD thought process and I would ask anybody
who didn't read it to take the time to do so, even though it is lengthy. I
would like to make sure I understand a few things. According to your post:1) The 7 year Covenant is distinctly different than the 70th week. Most
believers seem to think this is not the case, but a growing number are now
agreeing with that position. Once this blinder is removed, a whole new scenario
appears. Could you expound on this?
Phil Rogers Phil Rogers (2 Apr)
"IT HAD TO BE DECLARED!"It Had To Be DeclaredThe following information that was reported to have come out of Jerusalem
is of the most vital kind to end times prophetic understanding.
BULLETIN: Orthodox and Hassidic Rabbonim Declare "Time of Jacob'sTrouble" -
Reported by ben Yosef - March 22, 2001.
At the Western Wall today and in yeshivas and synagogues and religious
schools throughout Israel the sound of shofar blasts, the singing of Hebrew
Psalms and cries and tears and wails of repentance were heard in response to
a declaration by the Gedolei Yisrael (Great Ones of Israel) formally
recognizing the beginning of the "time of Jacob's trouble."
Further it is signed by ALL 27 of the leading Orthodox and Chassidic
sages, both the "maranan verabonon" (masters and teachers) and the "gedolei
ha-Torah veha Chassidus (Torah sages among the Chassidut)."
The declaration begins and is formally designated:
"IT IS A TROUBLED TIME FOR YA'ACOV BUT HE WILL BE SAVED."
All the pre-trib teachers have taught we would never see this day. The day
has arrived.I received this report on March 24th, 2001. But I had to wait until a
secondary source could confirm the information before I could comment on the
prophetic implications. I didn't have to wait long. The following is
information from Barbara Richmond's newsletter, "Special Jerusalem Report",
dated March 29th, 2001. On the whole, Barbara's ministry is very responsible
and reliable. The release of information concerning the Nation of Israel and
the city of Jerusalem is as accurate. She relays the following because of the
confirmation of the above report."TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE"
Here is an very interesting prophecy given in the13th century. Some 700
years ago, a Rabbi Simeon prophesied: "When the sixtieth year shall have
passed over the threshold of the sixth millennium, the God of heaven will
visit the daughter of Jacob with a preliminary remembrance... The children of
Ishmael will at the same time rouse all the nations of the world to come to
war against Jerusalem to battle (Zechariah 14:2)." By calculations according
to the Hebrew calendar, this puts the fulfillment of this prophecy in the
Hebrew year 5760, which was 2000. We are now in the Hebrew year 5761.My comment upon this recognition and declaration of the "time of Jacob's
trouble" by the leaders of the religious community in Israel is as follows.
It is of the utmost importance that the heads of the religious faction in
Israel declare that Israel is in the time of Jacob's trouble in order to be
able to have an Old Testament Biblical reason for declaring the coming of the
"Messiah". The referred text they mention is (Jer. 30:7 KJV) "Alas! for that
day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's
trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."
Phil Rogers Phil Rogers (26 Feb)
"Apology to All- Phil Rogers (HUBDAD)"I want to apologize to any and all persons that have received a copy of my
Manuscript "God's Timeline, Amazing facts and Coincidences (or are they)" and
actually read it. My apology is to this point, that If I may have misled
ANYONE as to the "timing" of Christ's return at "Rosh Hashanah- the Feast of
Trumpets" in the year 2000, or at Hanukkah of the same year, I am very sorry.
I will NOT "speculate" as to the Lord's return for His Church again. I
will do my very best with the guidance of the Holy Spirit to stay within the
given information that the Lord has given us through His word, the Bible.
What the Lord does give us (I believe) is this;
1st Thess. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need
that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a
thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh
upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you
as a thief.
I'm in the process of doing a rewrite of clarification of this
manuscript. If in the meantime you want to do the clarification yourself;
Throw out the references to Hanukkah and substitute ALL references to the
"Resurrection- Rapture" of the Church in regard to Rosh Hashanah- Feast of
Trumpets (year 2000) with the "Day of the Lord". Which is also referred to as
the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" (Israel's) and Daniel's 70th week. God does
give the signs that we are to know concerning how close we are to the
fulfillment of this last week of Daniel, Primarily that of the Nation of
Israel itself, God's "fig tree".
Joel 1:7 He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it
clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white.
Matt. 24:32; Mark 13:28; and Luke 21:29.
Again, I'm sorry if I had given anyone a sense of false HOPE and
expectation. I'm as guilty of this as anyone. In looking for our Blessed
Hope, Phil Rogers.
Phil Rogers (22 Dec 2002)
"God's Timeline...etc. video presentation offer"“God’s Timeline…etc.”- Video PresentationI have a Christmas gift offer to those who are interested. That being a video presentation of what I have been preaching and teaching on for the last 4-5 years. The majority of this presentation comes from the manuscript that I have constantly been up-dating, called, “God’s Timeline, Amazing Facts and Coincidences (or are they?)”.
The offer is FREE and I will continue to offer it as long as the requests come in and the money holds out to mail them. The video (1- VHS cassette) will start to be mailed out on Monday the 23rd, and then as soon as I can keep up the duplication.
The most important subjects covered in this presentation and on the “Timeline” are; The birth of Israel; the “generation”; The Day of the Lord; the creation week and what it tells us; The signs in the heavens and the earth; the 2 & 3rd days of Hosea; the 70th week of Daniel; the “Time of Jacob’s Trouble”; the years of plenty & famine of Joseph; and more.
To request a copy; just e-mail me at ( HUBDAD@AOL.com ) with the subject line of; Gods Timeline- video presentation.
Phil Rogers (26 Oct 2002)
"The Day of the Lord...with Noah"Click here: philr1026-1.htmThe “Day of the Lord”… with NoahBy Phil Rogers;10-24-02part-1
Phil Rogers (5 Oct 2002)
"Regarding Sept 21st"Regarding Sept 21stHello John;
First of all, please forgive me for being so late in getting back to you in regard to this matter. There are still other family matters that should take precedence even now as I respond to you. But when I read a post on the Doves that you are considering removing the posts of yours about the “21” of September, I had to write you now. I implore you not to do so. Just because the “rapture” did not happen when you thought and we “hoped”, does not invalidate what the Lord was showing you. It was probably not for the reason for which you were hoping for.
Even within my own writing on these last days prior to Rosh Hashanah of 2000, everything seemed to be pointing to that “Feast” period as the “rapture”. Yes, I was disappointed, even devastated which sent me into 3 weeks of hard prayer and searching of the scriptures. My apology was sent to you and the rest of the Doves shortly after Rosh Hashanah. But I knew that the posts had to remain and that the Lord THROUGH HIS WORD would condemn or verify what I was being shown in the scriptures. Now let me get to the heart of the matter concerning the patterns of “sevens” that the Lord was showing you. I’m not saying that this is absolute or concrete, but that it is confirmatory of what the Lord has shown me in these same patterns over the last 2 years.
Just as the Lord was showing me the “season”/ year of the fulfillment of “Rosh Hashanah”- “Feast of Trumpets”, I believe that the Lord was trying to show you the SAME THING in regard to when the “Feast of Tabernacles” will be fulfilled. The “patterns” of 7’s that the Lord showed you (if I’m not mistaken) were;“77”--- “77”--- “7777”--- and “777”Now take notice that the one “set” that is the easiest to Biblically distinguish is the one for the gematria of the “Cross” and the “Ark”. That being the “set” of “777”! I’ll get back to this most important “set” shortly. But notice the set of “7777” in the “line” above. This “set” is made up of and from the first two. When you push together the first 77 and the second 77 you get the “7777”! Now what can this possibly be referring to?
I believe that the first “set” of 77 is that of the 7 years of “plenty” and the second set of “famine” of Joseph! The second “set” of 77, I believe is that of the “Psalms of Degrees”. You can read my reasoning on this one at; (http://www.fivedoves.com/latterdayletters/other/NoahPsalms.doc)You can also see the other patterns at;
(http://www.fivedoves.com/latterdayletters/other/seal.doc)Now here is where it becomes FUN, John. When we are looking at these double 7’s in the scriptures, the thing that stands out is that the last 7 of one set (77) and the first 7 of the second set (77) are describing the same set of 7 years. The Lord is showing you (I believe) is, that since these sets of 7&7 years are not found in the same passage of scripture they need to first be seen separately (77) & (77) and then brought together (7777)!BUT; since the two middle 7’s are describing the same period of “time” they are to be therefore merged TOGETHER as one! And what you then have is the plan or outcome of the “Cross” in the “777”!
And where therefore is this plan of 3 sets of “7” years described IN SCRIPTURE? They are found in the totality of the “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” (Israel’s)!So what it boils down to is this John. I believe that the Lord was showing you that the fulfillment of the Fall “Feasts of the Lord” will be fulfilled in this “time frame” as found in scripture. And the confirmation of the Lord showing me that the “Feast of Trumpets”/ Rosh Hashanah will be fulfilled in this time frame is the SAME as to what the Lord has shown you as to the fulfillment of the “Feast of Tabernacles” in the SAME time frame!!!
So, don’t give up on the Lord and what he has revealed to you John. The “extra- Biblical” signs and prophecies are great if kept in their proper perspective. I firmly believe that they are given to people to lead them/ us back into the written word of God for revelation and understanding of them.
Now, I’m sure you can see what I meant when I e-mailed you earlier about my excitement and continued hope in what you were posting. I’m thrilled beyond words and that is saying something, hahahaha!
May the God of our Salvation bestow His peace upon you in these last days.
Your Brother in Christ Jesus;
JohnPhil Rogers (28 July 2002)
"Bob Ware's "Anchor Cross!!!!!"Hi people (since I'm sending this to more than one individual). Check out the FIRST page of Bob Ware's work with "gematria" concerning the anchor CROSS!
Phil Rogers (24 July 2002)
"For John Tng (and all the Doves)"Hi John. Loved your post on "The 7- part Prophecy & Number 11"!
Let us pray that "WE" (collectively) are correct as to the time in which we are in and how little time there is left.
"Can you see it now? "
Posted on: July 20th, 2002I want to thank those who brought John Hagee's article from WND to this board. It saved me a lot of archive searching. And also John Hagee for bringing this material up at this time.
Can anyone now see the scriptural “type” and or foreshadowing of the “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” that is depicted in Genesis 29 through 31?
To be very brief, (I have covered this in much detail) when we look at the scriptural account of Jacob laboring for the desire of his heart, that being Rachael, I want to point out several things. Then you make the decision of where we are in “God’s Timeline…”!
Phil Rogers (22 April)
"The "Many Days of Hosea""The "Many Days" of HoseaMany people have speculated as to Hosea 6:1-3 and to what is the
reference of the 2 days and the 3rd day in which the people of God (all of
Israel IN FAITH) will "live in His sight". I am going to attempt to clarify
this through scripture.
Phil Rogers (13 Feb)
"Hidden Prophecies in the Psalms- Revisited""Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"- RevisitedI have to remind all of you of the study that J.R. Church has done on the
"Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms". His contention (which I firmly believe) is
that the Psalms have hidden prophecies that show definitive events for each
year beginning in 1901.
Phil Rogers (12 Nov 2003)
"Revelation's Answer To Prayer"
Phil Rogers (3 June 2003)
"To Steve Berryman;19 or 20 years?"Steve (and others), I’m submitting this hopefully as clarification as to the 1967 war and Israel having BECOME an adult- responsible nation.Phil Rogers (28 May 2003)
"It Keeps Going, and going and going..."It Keeps On Going, and going, and going…What is it that keeps on going? It is the signs or indicators of the 2nd Coming of Christ, “POSSIBLY” in the year 2007! And why such indicators can be reconciled through scripture!The 1st bit of information comes from Pat Robertson by way of Jim Bramlett’s post (http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2003/jim512.htm) concerning Pat’s belief that the 2nd Coming of Christ could POSSILBY happen in the year 2007. And listening to author and teacher, Paul McGuire on KBRT-am740 in Calif., he is reporting the same as having been said by Pat Robertson.Phil Rogers (3 Feb 2003)
"The Wrath of God... His "Day of Vengeance""The Wrath of God… His “Day of Vengeance”It was brought to my attention by Greg Postel, a portion of scripture that seemed appropriate to what I have been teaching on these last days. Greg e-mailed me this portion of scripture after watching the video of mine (trying to condense the majority of what I had been writing for so long) that I offered shortly before Christmas.
Phil Rogers (28 Oct 2004)
"I have waited a week..."I have waited a week…
Oct. 25, 2004
And I have been DISSAPOINTED, BUT then again NOT SURPRISED to see if ANYONE from this web site (and I have checked others, so don’t feel bad) UNDERSTOOD what the prophetic significance was and IS to the “reformation” of the SANHEDRIN in the state of Israel!It was on Monday the 18th that Dianne Talsma reported on the reformation of the Sanhedrin.Link to posting from Dianne Talsma
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2004/diannet1018.htmMy DISSAPOINTMENT comes from the fact that I could not find a single follow up posting or comment on this MOST IMPORTANT prophetic fulfillment of God’s Word!Phil Rogers (10 Nov 2004)
"Reply to Douglas"Douglas;I’m sorry that you had to take my disappointment that was meant to be in the general sense, so personal. If I believed that there were only about 50 people who either post to John’s web site or visit on a daily basis, I would not have had the disappointment (but as I pointed out- not surprised) that I did. Because if I believed that only 50 people or less visited this site, then the “odds” of someone NOT picking up on the scriptural significance of this “Historic” reformation of the Sanhedrin is totally understandable.And I DO say “Historic” because the Sanhedrin has not been in existence for over 1,600 YEARS! To me anyway, this is an event OUT OF THE ORDINARY, TO THE EXTREME! And I would have thought that something so extraordinary taking place would have prompted people to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES AS TO WHY!But don’t take what I write and post personally! Except for personal responses such as this one, what I write and post is always to the believers at large or in general. Even when I use the term “we” (believers as a collective body) or “you” (the individual WITHIN that collective body and STILL addressing the whole), any “personal conviction” is not addressed by me to you or any individual.Phil Rogers (11 Oct 2006)
"Resurrection/Rapture a Fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) ?? Impossible!!"
Resurrection/Rapture a Fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) ?? Impossible!!
Hi John & Doves;
Yes, I'm still here with you and my absence and return is that of a long story of God allowing tribulation in my life, His sustaining me through it and His GRACE after it.
But now I have just a few comments to make!
The first is that of the possibility of the Resurrection/ Rapture happening on a Rosh Hashanah- Feast of Trumpets'?! I'm not saying that it cant happen at that time, but what I'm saying is that it has NO BEARING on the FULFILLMENT of that Feast day that the Lord has ordained so long ago to Moses for Israel!
To put it simply, those 7 Feasts of the Lord are to be REHERSALS of the Lord Jesus Christ to the nation of Israel!
Enough! It has been a long time. And as anyone can see, I have been teaching on a lot of the same prophetic scriptures concerning "Time" or "God's Timeline"! And down through the years, with my doctrines changing and the understanding of the scriptures involved in regard to Christ's Coming to establish His Kingdom, my timeline for it has never changed! I have never had to "push it out further", like that of the timing of the "resurrection/ rapture"!Yes, it has been a long time! And since the "time" that God has given me to understand and walk me through since 1998 is at its closing, I'm very grateful to the Lord that as far as I'm concerned, it is over!In looking for Christ's soon coming and Kingdom:Phil Rogers