It has come to my attention that you or anybody else may not have bothered to go to my website fot the information concerning the discovering of the timeline of the 70th week of Daniel, the Rapture and the 2nd coming and Mill kingdom shown in the 7th Chapter of the Gospel of John!We go back a long way Ron on the Doves. I was questioning what you taught even back to 2001! I dont question to be negitive or beligerant, BUT TO LEARN! Like they say, the only stupid question is the one that is not asked! I take nothing at face value of what they say! And I will always uphold scripture above all else! Especially for answers to my questions! Just as I expect nothing less of me and what I teach!Now I also have recently heard that for some people what I write is "TOO LONG" and is too much of a bother to click on a link to another website"! Hahahaha, I make no apology for what and how I write! I do not pander to this U-Tube mentality that must have their info. in 7 minutes or less! Nor do I care if they are too lazy to click on a link to get there for the information! That click of the mouse on the link provided must be very taxing!So, for the u-tube people here is that version. My next post will be the one of teaching substance that most peolple should stay away from. Sorry, the charts are not included as my charts are not converting to postings! But you can find this whole article with the charts at: (sorry, I have to put a link here)A Great Scriptural Confirmation of "God's Timeline"!
To our knowledge, there has been NO ONE OR NO GROUP OF PEOPLE IN 2000 YEARS OF CHURCH HISTORY that has had their understanding or "eschatology" found IN THE WORD OF GOD by ONE SINGLE event in type!
And what we are talking about is the time and timing leading to the 2nd Coming of Christ and the establishing of His Kingdom! This of course is also including the "resurrection/rapture"!
The event in type that we are referring to is the Lord Jesus Christ's interaction at the time of the "feast of Tabernacles", which also includes the 70th Week of Daniel and the 2 comings of the Lord Jesus Christ leading to His Sabbath day or the start of His Millennial Kingdom and shown by His Sabbatical cycles!
That is until Rosh Hashanah, September 9, 2010!
Look at what we have been teaching IN FULL of God's Timeline since 2006 with what was discovered in type in the 7th chapter of the Gospel of John!
What we have taught since 2006 concerning the Lord’s Coming
The purpose of these charts is only to show the relationship of "The Lord's Day" (beginning in 2000), the "signs of the times" connected to the beginning of that day (above) to that of the "time of Jacob's Trouble”, the Sabbatical cycles of Israel and the "70th Week of Daniel". To then show the reasoning and correlation of all of these in their pattern of scripture (and fulfillment of them) to the "timeline” of the 70th Week of Daniel, found in the 7th chapter of the Gospel of John. For details of the scriptures and commentary to each of these charts, look to the original files and charts of them.
Signs of the Times
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.”-Joel 2:30-31
All year references on chart are to Rosh HashanahIt is IMPORTANT to note the relationship of the Jewish Sabbath year/ "day" to that of simple time of each of the three weeks of "Jacob's Trouble"! And that the Sabbatical cycle is not one and the same as the Time of Jacob's Trouble, but it is OFF- SET by one year/ day!
The 3rd Week of the “Time of Jacob’s Trouble”Rosh Hashanah 2007 to Rosh Hashanah 2014“Daniel’s Seventieth Week”Again note: that the Sabbatical Year and its cycle is PART of the 3rd Week of Jacob's Trouble, but is clearly seen as being OFF- SET by one year in its fulfillment! If there is to be any confirmation of this last week found in scripture, it MUST be shown with this "off- setting" of the Sabbath Years and Sabbatical cycle to the 7 years/ days of Daniel's 70th Week!The following chart is virtually the same as the preceding one, but with the elimination of the "yet seven other years", "Jacob labors for his wealth" and the “stock market fall” in 2008. The purpose is just for visual clarity!
Daniel’s 70th Week(What we have taught since October 2006)Note the off- set Sabbatical cycle to the 7- year, 70th week of Daniel!The following scriptural account in John's Gospel (chapter 7) has NEVER been used or referenced for my or our preaching of Christ's coming(s) in relation to the 70th Week of Daniel or the "time of Jacob's trouble". Only one reference to when all resurrections must take place was ever used. And that is the following: " In the last day, that great day of the feast".
John 7:1-“After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand. His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, show thyself to the world. For neither did his brethren believe in him. Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he? Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught. Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me. Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come. Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles? In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet. Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee? Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was? So there was a division among the people because of him. And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him. And every man went unto his own house.Definition of the Feast of Tabernacles
Leviticus 23:33-“And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD. On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
Leviticus 23:39-“Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath. And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.The Comparison of What We have been Teaching on Christ's Coming and KingdomWith that of the Prophecies Discovered in the Feast of TabernaclesDaniel’s 70th Week(What we have taught since October 2006)The Prophecy in the Feast of TabernaclesJohn chapter 7(discovered on 9/9/10 via J.R. Church, 1999)Now, without ever using or referencing the "prophetic type/shadow" of the account of the feast of Tabernacles in John's Gospel, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE TWO "TIMELINES" OR TIMEFRAMES ARE LITERALLY IDENTICAL?
And this is down to the length of the time (7 days/years) to the Sabbath days and Sabbatical cycle (of which Tabernacles clearly shows)! The fact that this shadow/type involves the Lord Jesus Christ Himself and the amount of times it is said that he appears: TWO TIMES!Notice the manner in which it is said that He comes the first time: NOT OPENLY, BUT “AS IT WERE IN SECRET" (just as the metaphor of the “bridegroom” coming for His Bride)- the resurrection and Rapture! And then the 2nd time at the last day of the feast- openly proclaiming salvation in Himself! This is exactly how other scriptures declare part of His 2nd Coming to be! To save Jacob (Israel) OUT of his trouble. And then from that of Jacob (and the nations who will believe and accept Him as their Saviour)) to then enter into His REST/His Sabbath REST!
So then, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that this account is identical and mirrors what we have been preaching since 2006?
Even to show the timing for the reason of Christ's Advocacy against our accuser (Satan)! Which must and can only be completed in the "midst of the week", the midst of the festival" (the 4th year), of the 70th Week of Daniel! It is because of the prophetic necessity and the upholding of all of the Word of God that we have preached this since 2006!
And again, HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE that this account reflects exactly this timing for the "resurrection/rapture", as the Lord comes not openly (to the world) BUT in secret for His Bride?
Let me (us) ask you this AGAIN: Have you ever heard of anyone discovering (whether by searching the scriptures or by accident as was my case) a type/shadow of their understanding of eschatology in ONE event that portrays their understanding of the scriptures?
For example: the "pre-7 year Trib rapture" point of view. Of course to find or discover such, they would need an event in which the type/Christ would be coming secretly the day before the 7 days/ years were to begin! And then the same type, in the same event would have to be shown coming again in that last day/year of those 7 days/ years!
I've never heard of a "confirming" prophetic type/shadow event discovered in scripture to this point of eschatology or any other, have you?
We have been preaching of Christ's coming and Kingdom solely from the Word of God! No dreams, visions, or "signs" from life experiences did we ever teach that Christ was coming because of them!
WHAT GREATER CONFIRMATION could we have received of the preaching of Christ's coming(s) from the Word of God, than to be CONFIRMED IN AND OF THE WORD OF GOD?
I will take confirmation of our preaching and eschatology from the word of God over dreams, visions and "signs" any day of the week!
Jesus Christ is coming soon!
In looking for Christ's coming and Kingdom,
Phil Rogers, Sherry Vance and Kevin Drake