Hello, John and Doves,For the purposes of this discussion, "up" can be taken as meaning, "towards the Sun."If the Moon is at the "top of its phase," then that could mean the Moon is new. The Moon is directly between the Earth and the Sun, so it is as far "up" as it will ever be during any Jewish month.With that in mind, we observe that Rosh Chodesh 1 of Tevet 5772 is 30 Kislev 5772, which is Monday, 26 December 2011.Rosh Chodesh 2 is in fact 1 Tevet 5772--Tuesday, 27 December 2011.So then, taking what John Lawler received on 30 December 2010, and adding it to what Charity heard from the LORD [please see Lynn's comment at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/lynnette1214-2.htm .], we get a possibility of up to four dates. We can consider the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th days of Hanukkah.If we figure in Lynn's comment [see link above], then we consider the following:Christianity has become the pregnant elephant in the room that no one talks about--by law.An elephant's gestation period is about 22 months.8.8 Concepcion:February 27, 2010 plus about 22 months gives us a date in late December 2011.Let's not talk about the following:But of all animals, the spiny dogfish, Squalus acanthias, takes the cake. Its gestation period is 24 months, and thus beats the elephants by about two months. Squalus acanthias is the shark the Europeans fished out to turn it into fish and ships.Baruch HaShem Yeshua,Mike C.