From: Marilyn AgeeRe: Mercer (7 Dec 2011) "Barry RE: The Rapture"Hi Mercer:Which Rapture are you thinking of? Christ has two Advents, or comings, and there are two Raptures, the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 and the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54.Referring to the Second Advent, you said,
> > 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Barry this is what the angels were referring to in Acts. He's coming back in the "clouds" Just as he left in the "clouds. This is where the Bride comes back with him "in the clouds"
> > 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect( Elect = Jews..this is not the rapture) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.I would like to help out a bit in this discussion. There is something else in these verses to consider, something neither of you seem to have taken into consideration. There are two Raptures.The Sign of the Son of Man will not be seen in the sky at the time of the first Rapture we read about in I Thess 4:16,17. It will be seen in the sky at the time of the Second Rapture, the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54.Please read Mt 24:31 again. These are gathered FROM one end of HEAVEN to the other, not from one end of the Earth to the other.Verse 31 says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (i.e., it is the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." That's us. We are his elect, and we are already in Heaven, having been raptured from Earth in the First-Trump Rapture of Thess 4:16,17 and Rev 4:1.This is talking about one day, the DAY OF THE LORD, the FEAST OF TRUMPETS, the day Christ will be given his millennial kingdom, the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Day of God's Wrath, and the day of the Marriage of the Lamb. It may be the most event-packed day ever. There is no other day like it.Why isn't the day of the First-Trump Rapture also the day of the Marriage of the Lamb? I think there are 144,000 Israelites that will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture that will be added to the Bride of Christ group.THE BRIDE SINGS THE NEW SONGOf the wise-virgin saints caught up at the first Rapture, Rev 5:9,10 says, "And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood (i.e., not just out of Israel, as the 24 elders, but) out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests".Talking about the saints caught up in the second Rapture, Rev 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb (i.e., Jesus) stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they (i.e., the 144,000) sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."We are a kind of firstfruits. James_1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." The 144,000 are also firstfruits, as we saw above. The 144,000 seem to be added to the Bride group. Therefore, I don't think the Marriage of the Lamb will take place until the 144,000 are in Heaven. That takes place at the Last-Trump Rapture.THE GENERAL ASSEMBLYOn that day, we (the Philadelphian-Church saints) will be gathered from one end of HEAVEN to the other to attend the GENERAL ASSEMBLY in heaven. At that point, the First-Trump Rapture is past, and the Last-Trump Rapture is taking place.Of the GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN, Heb 12:22-24 says, "But ye (i.e., the Tribulation saints, caught up at the Last-Trump Rapture) are come unto mount Sion (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets), and unto the city of the living God, the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN (i.e., those that were caught up in the First-Trump Rapture), which are written in heaven, and to God (i.e., Jesus) the Judge of all, AND TO THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT (i.e., already made perfect), 24 And to JESUS the mediator of the new covenant".Joel 2:15-18 says, "Blow the trumpet (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets) in Zion, sanctify a fast (i.e., the upcoming Day of Atonement), CALL A SOLEMN ASSEMBLY: 16 GATHER THE PEOPLE, sanctify the congregation, ASSEMBLE THE ELDERS, GATHER THE CHILDREN, and those that suck the breasts: LET THE BRIDEGROOM GO FORTH OF HIS CHAMBER, AND THE BRIDE OUT OF HER CLOSET (chuppah). 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? 18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people."I'm getting ahead of my story. Think of Mt 24:31 again, look carefully at the difference between it and Mark 13:27.Mt 24:31 says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."All the saved are gathered to the GENERAL ASSEMBLY in Heaven on the Day of the Lord.Those gathered from Heaven are those that were caught up in the First-Trump Rapture. Those gathered from Earth are the Tribulation saints. The Last-Trump Rapture is taking place.Both trumpets are used for the calling of this GENERAL ASSEMBLY.THE TYPEIn Nu 10:2-4, the Lord said to Moses, "Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM (i.e., both) FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY, and for the journeying of the camps (i.e., at the end of the Tribulation, one camp is in Heaven, the other is on Earth). 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., BOTH, on the Feast of Trumpets at the end of the Tribulation), ALL THE ASSEMBLY (i.e., all saints, the Bride saints gathered from one end of Heaven to the other, and the Tribulation saints gathered from one end of Earth to the other) shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation (i.e., in Heaven). 4 And if they blow but with ONE trumpet (i.e., at the first Rapture), then the princes (i.e., the 24 elders of Rev 4:4), which are heads of the thousands of Israel (i.e., the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles), shall gather themselves unto thee."At the time of the first Rapture, Rev 4:1-4 says, "I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (Jesus, both God the Father and God the Son) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat (Jesus the first and the last) was to look upon like a jasper (i.e., first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne (i.e., Jesus' throne on Saturn, Eze 1:26-28), in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus, the First and the Last, is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (lit., thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty ELDERS (the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."The day of the last Rapture is the Day of God's Wrath, but before his Wrath hits Earth, the Tribulation saints are caught up to Heaven. They get out of here by the skin of their teeth on the day the asteroids of Rev 8:8-10 impact Earth. At that time, Babylon, near the Euphrates, and Damascus will cease to be cities.Rev 6:12-17 describes the day of the second Rapture. It says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB: 17 For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?"Probably no one, this is the worldwide earthquake mentioned in Eze 38:18-23. Every wall will fall, worldwide.It says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (i.e., the asteroid of Rev 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea); 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him (Gog)throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (shower, i.e., a tsunami), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I WILL BE KNOWN IN THE EYES OF MANY NATIONS (i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and they shall know that I am the LORD."Of this time, Mt 24:30 says, "And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
However, this is not the Second Advent. The Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky while the General Assembly is taking place in Heaven.
There are 7 months between Tishri 1, when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky, and the following Nisan 1, the Second Advent. That is why Dan 12:11 adds 30 days. The year of the Second Advent has to be a Leap Year with the 13th month. Otherwise, there are only six months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1.
Dan 12:10,11 says, "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (i,e., Mid-Trib), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
Since there are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1, the Second Advent will be in a Leap Year.
Between now and 5780, there are only three leap years, 5774 (2013/14), 5776 (2015/16), and 5779 (2018/19). 5774 is too soon, and 5779 is too late. I think the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016.
The Second Advent will be on the first day of the Jubilee Year, and Nisan 1, 5776 will be the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years. It works out perfectly.Before that time arrives, Luke 21:25-28 says, "And there shall be signs in the sun (i.e., huge Coronal Mass Ejections), and in the moon (i.e., Total Lunar Eclipses, Blood Moons, the last one before the tetrads of 2014/2015 is coming tomorrow, Sat Dec 10, 2011), and in the stars (i.e., things like Comet Elenin appearing, asteroids whizzing by between Moon and Earth, Saturn, heaven, being in Virgo when the sign in Rev 12 took place Tishri 1, 5772; Sept 29, 2011); and upon the earth distress of nations (i.e., banks failing, volcanos erupting, earthquakes, Christchurch, NZ has had 7400 since the 7.1 one), with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring (i.e., Japan's tsunami, March 11, 2011); 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory (i.e., first, they will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky, later the Second Advent). 28 And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."This day of the General Assembly in Heaven seems to be the day of the Marriage of the Lamb. It will be the first opportunity after the 144,000 virgins are added to the Bride group.Rev 19:6-9 says, "And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent REIGNETH (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets). 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: FOR THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB IS COME, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (lit., righteousnesses, Christ's and ours) of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb."These that are called to the Marriage Supper are the great multitude that cannot be numbered that are caught up in the last Rapture (Rev 7:8). I think the Marriage Supper of the Lamb takes place in Heaven. It is the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven and the Day of God's Wrath on Earth.After 7 months, I think Christ and all the saints will return to Earth on Nisan 1, 5776. Why do I think it will be in 5776? It has to be a Leap Year. Between now and 2020, there are only three Leap Years, 5774, 5776, and 5779. 5774 is too soon, 5779 is too late. To me, only 5776 (2015/2016) fits. The Blood Moon tetrads are in 2014 and 2015.I think Nisan 1, 5776 is the first day of the Jubilee Year, so the preceeding year has to be a Sabbatic Year. The Sabbatic Years are 5768, 5775 and 5782. The first one is past, and the last one is too late. Only 5775 fits.5776 - 7 = 5769. I think the Tribulation started on Pentecost, May 29, 2009. According to Dan 8:12-14, the Tribulation is to last 2300 days. If the 2300 days started on Pentecost, May 29, 2009, the day of God's Wrath will be the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015.I'm hoping for the first Rapture on Dec 21, 2011, the first day of Hanukkah. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, and the Temple was dedicated on the Feast of Dedication, and it was winter.Jesus was there, and John 10:22 says, "And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter."
The first day of Hanukkah does not always fall on the first day of winter, but it does this year. Hope to see you all in Heaven soon.
> > 8All these are the beginning of sorrows. Or know as the Time of Jacobs troubles.......the middle of the Tribulatiom
The Time of Jacob's Trouble is the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. There is no other day like it--ever.
> > 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (This is refering to the Sheep and Goats Judgement, not the rapture)
I think it is the Rapture. Mt 24:44 says, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."
The Sheep and Goats Judgment takes place after the Second Advent.
Mt 25:31-34 says, "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world".