You wrote to me the following...
Josua (10 Dec 2011)
"To Kevin Drake: Rosh 2014 does not allow the AC and 2 witnesses to be there for long enough"
some spontaneous thoughts to consider:
- why do you think thatthe sabbath of the 70th week of Daniels "Seventy Sevens" is different than all the previous Sabbaths? I see no reason for that. Or at least as many pros and cons.
- how will the Antichrist officially dominate the earth and the 2 witnesses be there for 1260 days (or 42 months) if the last 12 months are reserved for Jesus rulership and restoration? There are not enough days left from now till Rosh 2014. I don't think "shortening the days" is a valid argument here. I think the recorded daycounts are correct. The days could as well be shortened by "less daylight per 24h" or "less than 24h per day" due to celestial objects passing near the earth and natural disasters during the apocalypse.
- http://www.markbeast.com/70jubilees/70Sevens.pdf serves as an independent (not related to Ron Reese, MathMan)
pointer to Day of Atonement 2015.
Most importantly (more important than debates about correct or wrong dates or credits), I hope that the current debate about 2014 or 2015 will not leave any bad feelings or even grey spots on your wedding dress!
Watch & Pray!
Okay Josua...for your first question as follows...
(Josua) why do you think thatthe sabbath of the 70th week of Daniels "Seventy Sevens" is different than all the previous Sabbaths? I see no reason for that. Or at least as many pros and cons.
(Me) What? Are you serious brother? The 70th Week of Daniel is the one that ushers in the Millennial Kingdom of Christ! That is what makes it different!
Now, here (what now follows) is my answer to your second question...
Let me begin by asking you the following question...
What does "times, time, and the dividing of time" mean?
Dan. 12:How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Rev. 12:14-And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Dan. 7:25-And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Doesn't this simply refer to 3 & 1/2 years of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel?
Isn't then the 1260 days reference the same? Isn't the 42 months also the same? Couldn't the 1290 days also be the same (simple inclusion of the leap month of Adar 2)?
Remember, a rose by any other name is still a rose!
The last half of the 70th week of Daniel by any other name (or given number of days/ months) is still the last half of the week! And YES, it is to be shortened for the elects sake, because if not, NO FLESH would be saved! Not just the elect's! And this is understood by the Old Testament scriptures because of the Sabbatical 70th week of Daniel, to see all fulfilled to the "time of Jacob's Trouble"! To be saved out of this trouble (Gen.29- 31)( 21 & 20 years) to enter into the Messiah's rest!
This is why Jesus could say:
Mark 13: For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord HAD shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he HATH shortened the days.
This IS PAST TENSE! In other words, even from Jesus' time, it can be read and understood from the OT scriptures that the time of great tribulation has already been shortened and how and why! I wrote an article on this shortening entitled "The Shortening of the Days" in June of this year. I posted the availability of the article on the Doves and it can be found on the website (www.godstimeline.net) if you are interested in viewing it.
Jer. 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them. Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
This is speaking of the Millennial Kingdom of rest which the Sabbath is the TYPE for fulfillment of this REST!
For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
Isa. 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Again, this is the the typology of the Sabbath and the Sabbath year of the Sabbatical cycle of which is Daniel's 70th Week. And also speaking of the Millennial Kingdom!
And for those who love the Biblical numerics of the chapter and verse assignments, look at this...
Isaiah (14) 7 or (7+7) 7 or 777! The time of Jacob's Trouble will be over when the Lord establishes His Kingdom! This has been available long before the stock market crash of 2008!
Now that is pretty cool how the Lord constructed the chapter and verse numberings in the AV 1611, especially here in Isaiah 14:7 to show forth the 21 (7-7-7) and point us to the time of Jacob's trouble, for that (the time of Jacob's trouble) is the way to know which Sabbatical cycle is the 70th Week of Daniel!
Josua, the Sabbatical cycle always begins on feast of trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) according to scripture. Why, oh why, can't people realize that any seven year Sabbatical cycle is simply the passage of normal time? Why must they insist that there are always 2520 days to the cycle? Don't they realize that this is fallacy? Don't they realize that half of said Sabbatical cycle is not always 1260 days? No they do not, because they don’t realize that time is simply time, just as it always has been! They all base their calculations for the 70th Week on a 360 day year and that is their downfall.
No seven year Sabbatical cycle has exactly 2520 days. And no 3 and ½ year period (last half) of a Sabbatical cycle has exactly 1260 days either.
For example, Rosh 2008 to Rosh 2015 counts out to 2540 days, not 2520!
Any seven year Sabbatical cycle is always going to have two added leap months of Adar 2, and any 3 and ½ year Sabbatical period of time is going to have at least one added month of Adar 2 to keep the feasts of the Lord in their proper seasons as they were given by the Lord in scripture! How did they all miss this? By refusing to believe God’s words and types! It is one of the world’s greatest theological wonders.
In Ron Reese’s (and company) scenario, there are 2520 days between Obama’s infomercial (October 29, 2008) and Atonement 2015 (September 23, 2015), but even then, that time span is NOT 7 full years! It falls short of 7 full years! To fulfill 7 FULL years (which Ron has stated is the 70th Week of Daniel) from Obama’s infomercial, the count would then need to go to October 28, 2015, a grand total of 2555 days (not 2520), otherwise the 70th Week would be shorted!
To arrive at their desired conclusion, they must ignore the importance of the Sabbath year and when scripture states that the Sabbatical cycle begins. They all had to ignore feast of trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) as the scriptural start of the civil calendar and the basis for the Sabbatical cycle to manufacture the speculative idea that the infomercial was the confirming of the covenant so it would count out to 2520 days to Atonement 2015. Never mind that there is nothing in scripture to support this at all and totally violates the order of the fall feasts as they were given by the Lord. I mean, it’s almost as if the Lord set a trap for them to hang themselves because of their refusal to honor His words and types. Yes Josua, the Lord will allow anyone to believe a lie if that is their desire. The choice is to either believe God/scripture or believe what one desires.
You see Josua, what turns people off about us here at www.godstimeline.net is that we preach scripture and the historical fulfillment of scripture alone. And because we teach that the time of Jacob's trouble began at Rosh 1993 and runs 21 years, people hate us for reminding them that God declares “the end from the beginning". The historical events that transpired between Rosh 1993 and Rosh 2000, followed by Rosh 2000 to Rosh 2007, and Rosh 2007 to Rosh 2014 (the three sets of 7 years following the anti-type of Jacob’s trouble with Laban), along with the Sabbatical cycle (Daniel's 70th Week) beginning with a bang (economic crash, the DOW drop of 777.68 showing the economy of Jacob in that third week of trouble in the Jewish year 5768) are simply "irrefutable and undeniable facts" (to borrow the phrase from Brother Reese and others) that perfectly match the scriptural type of the “time of Jacob’s trouble”. For if what we teach is true, then it means that God has done things prophetically in a different way than they ever wanted or expected. And that scares them to death.
You don't have to worry about any hard feelings or wedding dress spots regarding this debate over 2014 vs. 2015. We all will soon know which one is correct.
I will soon be posting an article regarding the 20 years and 21 years found in the Genesis account of Jacob and Laban. Both 20 and 21 are correct! And I will show you how and why they are both correct in the article. This is a reversal of my previous position on this subject based upon new information that the Lord showed us just this past summer (yes Lydia F, we do give credit to the Lord for showing us everything; we just don’t like others lying about it).
Take care brother Josua,