Mercer (17 Dec 2010)
"GOD HAS MADE 'NO PROMISES' TO THE CHURCH 'BEFORE THE SEVENTH SEAL' IS OPENED. No one 'has a right' to claim that He has."

Hi Bruce
So you a Mid trib?
Why is Christ the "Bride Groom"? Church his Bride?
Why is the ancient Jewish wedding used as a pattern through out scripture?Where the Bride and Groom are hidden away for 7 days in their bridal chamber?
With the marriage feast after wards?
Wasn't Noah in the ark 7 days before the flood? Yes
Wasn't Rahab and her family shut up in the home on the "wall" for 7 days while Joshua marched around........then taken outside the city before the destruction? Yes
There's more but you get the you well know the OT is merely a shadow and picture of the NT.
Jesus gives John 7 letters and these letters give the chronological growth of the church. He ends in Laodicea.....not hot or cold.....he could vomit them out!! Last verse of Chapter 3 has him outside!! Knocking waiting to be invited in. Then he will supp with us.
Chapter 4
John looks up and the door is open and he is immediately in the spirit/raptured. What does he hear? Come up hear
What does he see?
  • A Throne standing in heaven
  • Someone on the Throne so magnificent only precious jewels can decrib Him
  • 24 thrones around the Throne
  • 24 Elders.......resurrected 12 disciples and 12 the Rapture has had to have taken place
  • White robes
  • Crowns of Gold......don't we earn crowns? Don't we cast them at the feet of the Throne?
  • 7 candle stands.......these are the 7 churches. NOTE: these candle stands were with John on earth in chapter 1:12

So John is told after Jesus finds himself outside the last not hot..not cold church..... the state our churches are in right now...when we get like that ...John "looked up" Does that term sound familiar? And saw a door opened....heard the shout, Come up here.

Then read on if you will there is lots and lots of praise......then we raptured saints cast our crowns at the Throne.
Rev 4
10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

 11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Everything is in chronological order.....If the God who wrote this book is so precise and mathimatical. As we see many on Doves show us......surely the only book that promises a blessing when read, has been given to John in such a manner.
Having said that!
The scene changes in chapter 5
John sees the Father holding the 7 sealed scroll and a mighty angel loudly asking who can OPEN THE SEAL..........Now lets get this right......The raptured saints are in HEAVEN......and it's not until chapter 5 that the scroll is addressed



 1And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

 2And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?


John is distraught that he can find no one........Oh......but someone talks to him. Who? Let's see.


And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

 6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.


TaDah......what do you know ......a raptured saint knew who could open the scroll. Their Groom could. After all He just came and got the Bride, clothed her in white and crowned her in righteousness. Yes, we know that scroll for HE, THE LAMB, bought it with His Blood. And He bought back Earth too. And He's about to go back and redeem His creation. And sit on the Throne of David as the Angel promised Mary.


Worship time again.....Praise the Lord He's got the scroll!!


 14And the four beasts said, Amen.. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever


Now, how anyone can say we are in the trib is beyond me......Chapter 6 the seals are broken.


I love all your dreams.....your math and diagrams too. But for me, it is "rightly dividing the Word" Our God is gracious......for those of us who are watching for his soon return He has given us neon signs and let's not mistake them for the real tribulation time.......because it's all about Israel during that time. Matthew 24 is all spoken to the Jews.


Jesus is going to tuck His Bride, who He paid for, safely away before the final conflict. Please stay mainly in the Word, it will not fail you. This is said from someone who has had a rapture dream and believes the Jewish tetrads mean something.


So, in closing, Jesus told John to tell us in Chapter 4 were we will be when He steps forward and takes the scroll. And what do we do? We fall on our faces and worship Him.


If you want to learn and grow in the Word I like the Blue Letter Bible study area.

I also got a audio bible that I listen too when I'm working around the house....the news is all made up anyways.....lies....manipulation.


Oh feel I got a "word from the Lord" Fox News is doing alot on 911......signaling another terror attack just watch. And it just could be that Eclipse on 12-21-2010......



21-2+1=3......the Bloodline of the antichrist/illuminati/occultists love Three 3's in a row and on a pagan winter holy day