Laurie Hane (17 Dec 2010)
"Paul Wilson, the Kingdom"
Paul,
I have been sitting
on the side lines watching this discussion. You were asking April
for scriptures to reinforce that there are rewards in heaven vs.
punishment for lack of works. When i first learned these kingdom
truths I was burdened with the "lack of works" issue myself. But
it was before I learned the valuable truth that my works are worth
nothing, it is only Christ's work done thru me through the power of the
Holy Spirit that has any value. The ego got kind of in the way
while I pondered why my works weren't good enough, but I finally got a
grip on verses like:
Phil 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good
work in you will perform [perfect or bring toward maturity] it
until the day of Jesus Christ;
God's goal is to bring us to maturity, maturity of what?
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him; for he
that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder
of them that diligently seek him.
Mature faith. Faith that blooms and grows as situations in life cause us to cling to:
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to
them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
And what defines this purpose:
Heb. 6:12: That ye be not slothful [sluggish], but followers
[imitators] of them who through faith and patience inherit the
promises....... Heb. 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor
of the soul..... A hope that will give you a reason to
restrain the desires of the soul [flesh], so that there can be a
outworking of Godly works done by the spirit in the restrained
individuals life. Conversely, those that do not have a knowledge
of this hope do not have the power that comes with this knowledge to
have a reason to hold onto faith and live a life filled with patience
toward God as He changes us into the image of His son. This
impatience can cause a lot of works done in the flesh because after all
don't we need to prove we are a good christian by our list of
works? I was there once, and it caused all kind of heart ache
because I was discouraged by my lack of opportunity when I was
overlooking that the greatest opportunity was given to me in the
patient raising of my children. And this leads to another
verse,
Heb. 4:2 Moreover it is required
in stewards, that a man be found faithful. Faithful to the work
in which God has set before you whether it me mother, student, father,
bread winner, teacher.....and learner. In the previous
verse it says that we are stewards of the mysteries of God.
Something that needs to be learned through the patient faithful reading
of His word.
Hebrews speaks quite a bit about the
inheritance of the Christian and even illustrates how Esau, although
given the status of first born and would inherit the double portion
from his father because he would be the family ruler, the religious
head for the family, and would need the extra funds in which to do
this.....did not value his inheritance and sold it to his
brother. God honored that by allowing Jacob to deceive his father
into giving him the birth rite and later after Esau realized that what
he thought would automatically by his, was lost forever even though he
sought it with tears. Heb. 12:16,17 lest there by any fornicator,
or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel [mess] of meat sold his
birthright, For ye know how that afterward, when he would have
inherited the blessing, he was rejected; for he found no place of
repentance [for a change of mind in his father], though he sought it
carefully with tears. Even though Esau was the rightful owner of
the first born status, because he failed to value what was his, he lost
it. Was he punished, well that is a matter of opinion. To
me he just lost his status, but to Esau, it was a terrible loss of who
he thought he was, what he thought he would be doing in regards to the
family, and the status amongst the local people of being the head of
the family.
There are a lot of scriptures that say we can forfeit our rights of inheritance in heaven.
Heb. 3; 14, For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginner of our confidence stedfast until the end.
Heb.
4: l Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us
of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come sort of it.
:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to [sabbath rest for] the
people of God.
:11 Let us labour therefore [give diligence] to enter into that rest,
lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [disobedience].
the"rest"
is the time of God giving the rulership reins to Christ and Christ has
a duel rulership and rules both in earth and from heaven. We know
this as the millennial reign of Christ. the 1000 year reign.
1
Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal
life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good
profession before many witnesses.
The fighting comes
first, the laying hold on eternal [age lasting] life comes next.
If you read a word study on the word eternal you will find that the
word we have for eternal meaning forever and ever is not how the Greeks
expressed it. The greeks thought in ages, from one age to the
next. The word eternal was translated from this concept of an
age, and if the author wanted to express forever and ever he would have
used the words" ages upon ages" This eternal life spoken of in 1
Timothy is an age lasting life that results from fighting the good
fight of faith.
All of this to say, you can see
there will be those Christians who do not qualify to this
position. I am not judging people but just looking around within
the Christian community, you can see those who are not patiently
enduring life which allows their faith ( knowledge and acceptance of
who God is in every situation) to grow. They are not learning the
lessons in faith, not following the game plan declared int he Bible and
so will not receive the rights declared to those that do.
I wasn't aware of hardly any of the names of men who write on this
issue that you posted earlier. I am aware of the authors from the
1800's and early 1900's though and find that like anything, there may
be some that go to far in speculation. If punishment is the
taking away of the rights of the first born, the loss of privileges,
the right to stand only on the outskirts of activity .......then call
it punishment. By the way, my understanding of outer darkness is
simply being on the outside of the spot light as in a beauty
pageant. The less the focus is on you, the less light is
involved.. The less status, the less value per
say,...... And why is that a part of
heaven...... Because we have an inheritance out ahead
of us. We can place little value on it like Esau did, or we can
hold onto it like the treasure it is with the faith that God will do
the work necessary for us to attain it. So are we going to
accept this inheritance and fight Satan as he throws the sink at you to
rob you of your faith, or by the power of the Holy Spirit will you
faithfully endure and hold onto the faith that God will complete the
good work in you that he has started. The fact that some will
overcome and others won't are listed in Rev. 2, 3. What causes
those to lose out is also mentioned. But it is faith, faith,
faith that separates us here on earth and later in heaven at the
judgment seat of Christ.
This all makes perfect
sense to me. Doesn't mean it will to you, but I pray God's
blessing on you of a quite spirit as you search out these truths for
yourself. For he is faithful who has begun a good work in you, to
perform [cause to mature it] until the end.