April (13 Dec 2010)
"Re: Texas Sue about Millennial Exclusion"


I have to respectfully disagree. How then could Christ say?:

Mark 4:21...And He was saying to them, “A lamp is not brought to be put under a basket, is it, or under a bed? Is it not brought to be put on the lampstand? 22“For nothing is hidden, except to be revealed; nor has anything been secret, but that it would come to light. 23“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.” 24And He was saying to them, “Take care what you listen to. By your standard of measure it will be measured to you; and more will be given you besides. 25“For whoever has, to him more shall be given; and whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him.”  ***If we all get the same reward, then how do some get more and others get nothing??***

Or about the Wedding Supper in Matthew 22?:  1Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, 2“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. 3“And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come. 4“Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’ 5“But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business, 6and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. 7“But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire. 8“Then he said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9‘Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there,invite to the wedding feast.’ 10“Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests.

      11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14“For many are called, but few are chosen.” ***The Lord called him "friend" so it is a believer. He was invited to the wedding, but did not have his wedding garment. Revelation clears it up that that garment is "the righteous needs of the saints." As you can see plainly, not all will have that.***


Many are called, few are chosen. That means many are saved, few will inherit. 


I must reiterate that I don't even know who this Faust person is but I am not saying anyone saved will go to hell. I hope this is cleared up by my response to Mr. Steve. 


And the verse you quoted, let me put it in context and lets see if it says that...



<< 1 Corinthians 4 >>
New American Standard Bible
 

Servants of Christ

      1Let a man regard us in this manner, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2In this case, moreover, it is required of stewards that one be found trustworthy. 3But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself. 4For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord. 5Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; and then each man’s praise will come to him from God.  ***Note, this does NOT say each man will receive praise from God, only that whatever praise man receives will come from God, who sees things done in secret.****

      6Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.7For who regards you as superior? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

      8You are already filled, you have already become rich, you have become kings without us; and indeed, I wish that you had become kings so that we also might reign with you. 9For, I think, God has exhibited us apostles last of all, as men condemned to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men.. 10We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are prudent in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are distinguished, but we are without honor. 11To this present hour we are both hungry and thirsty, and are poorly clothed, and are roughly treated, and are homeless; 12and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; 13when we are slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become as the scum of the world, the dregs of all things, even until now.

      14I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16Therefore I exhort you, be imitators of me. 17For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, and he will remind you of my ways which are in Christ, just as I teach everywhere in every church. 18Now some have become arrogant, as though I were not coming to you. 19But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant but their power. 20For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power. 21What do you desire? Shall I come to you with a rod, or with love and a spirit of gentleness?


Why would he say things like that if there was no duty incumbent on the believer but to be saved by grace and stop there. I am talking Sanctification - not Justification through faith by grace. 


I appreciate your opinion, but I disagree and furthermore you have simply reinforced my position on this. By searching out the passage you quoted it solidified this truth even more. All who call on the blood of Christ will be saved, they will enter the Millennial Kingdom, and after that 1000 years God will wipe away all their/our tears and we will enter into Paradise. But not all will inherit the Kingdom. Not all will be able to rule and reign. This is not false but is hammered out passage after passage after passage. I think Faust did a great disservice to this doctrine. And that book you prompted seems to be completely unfounded scripturally. I haven't read it, I admit that. But I see nothing good coming from "hey everybody, no matter what you do with your salvation you'll be praised and welcomed." In that passage about the Bema seat it says that some will still enter, but as if by fire, because they have no reward. Those two ideas don't reconcile, and so I will choose the Word of God and what it says. 


I really don't want to get into a Bible war. We are all Christians, all saved. I am not trying to make anyone doubt their salvation. On the contrary, I thought I was confirming that. There are several people on Doves who have been teaching that not all will go up in the rapture. How terrifying!! This teaching reveals the truth that we will ALL enter, but we will not all inherit. Period. This gives me great hope for my carnal Christian friends - and myself!! I can't tell you how many agonizing hours I prayed to be found worthy to escape the 70th week of Daniel coming. Now I don't have to worry about that, only my daily walk with the Lord - as He intended it! Praise God!


Our Father is a father. Do you only praise your kids when they do wrong and disobey and drag your gifts through the mud? No way! You discipline them. You wouldn't give a good child and a hateful child the same inheritance. This is simple common sense brothers and sisters in Christ. 


Texas Sue, you don't have to agree with me. None of you do. I knew in my Spirit that I was to share this to all Christians through whatever outlets I have - namely online. I did that. The rest is up to Him. Please don't reject this truth just because some guy wrote a bad book with confused doctrines a while back. Please, examine the scriptures to see if this be so. If your Spirit disagrees then so be it. I just pray that your daily walk in the Power of the Holy Spirit will increase and so will your reward in the Kingdom and Eternity. All of you. That was my only intent. Forgive me if I clumsily presented it. I hope things are more clear now, and if not, I should stop while I'm ahead!! :)


By the way (to everyone) I have been searching for a forum to reason with and rightly discern the Word of God. I appreciate all responses. I would ask however that scripture be the basis of counter argument, not man's books. Thank you all!!


-April A