Hey Jeff,
 
That's great. I am glad that you did that. You seem to have a very diplomatic style that keeps the door open for continued interaction and that's good. Don't know if they view the Doves or not but perhaps you could relay this message to them as well. I have a very important response to the following comment that they made to you:
 
<<but the weight of Scripture and the cycle typology argue
for a post-Tribulation resurrection at the final, last trumpet as clearly
presented in Revelation 20.>>
 
One thing I have noticed about some intellectuals is that while they can run circles around most of us in the stratosphere of technical data, they can at the same time overlook the most basic and foundational truths of what it is that they are seeking and end up light years removed from the destination that they seek, yet defend it as correct because they are sure of their research. But if your starting hypothesis are incorrect, your whole conclusion will be incorrect.
 
The simple fact is that Paul, who revealed the mystery of the church and its rapture, never heard of John the revelator's trumpets at the time of his writing about the "last trump". The churches that Paul was writing to never heard of John's trumpets either. Because the Revelation was not yet written at the time that Paul was revealing the mystery of the rapture to the church. When Paul was speaking of the last trumpet, he was speaking of a trumpet that his audience would have known about, yet it could not have had anything to do with the trumpets of the book of Revelation. Therefore the rapture is not at the end of the tribulation at the last trumpet of Revelation chapter 20. If you think it is then you do not understand and will make all kinds of incorrect conclusions.
 
Jesus did not say, "When you see these things finished coming to pass and there's virtually no one left alive, after the seven seals, after the seven vials, and after the seven trumpets and when the whole earth has been destroyed, then stand and lift your heads because whatta-ya know it's finally time for your redemption to draw nigh...At the last trumpet of John's revelation..." No, He said when you see these things BEGIN to come to pass, then stand and lift up your heads because your redemption draws nigh. Jesus is not mixed up about His promises. Paul told us to comfort one another with the words of the rapture. There is no possible comfort in a rapture that occurs only after all hell breaks loose and everything is destroyed and most life is perished - including every saint who refused the mark of the beast. Yet I find indescribable comfort in a rapture that takes place when these things begin to come to pass and we get to escape all these things that shall come on the whole world to try them which dwell on the earth.
 
Ok, as for staying here to help others who would miss the rapture, I can understand this feeling and there might even be the chance to do both; be raptured and stay and help as well. If the reports are true that I have heard from a few who have had visions and dreams of the rapture, they said that Jesus told them that we will not immediately go to heaven but will remain for 40 days to help others who were not ready. But we will be in our new bodies that can fly, disappear, transport anywhere God leads, and cannot be harmed. That would work for me. I have a collection of these stories and could post them again for those who have not seen it...
 
The tragedy of this other interpretation is that many who listen to this teaching, who might have been ready, had they learned of the truth, will not be prepared and will fully expect to remain for the tribulation and therefore, they probably will do just that.
 
I have heard Chuck Missler quip that for those of his audience who do not believe in a pre-trib rapture, he says that's ok, the rest of us will explain it to you on the way up... But I don't think so. I believe that it's like Joshua and Caleb. If you don't believe in it, then you wont look for it and will not be ready to go in and you will die in the wilderness of sin and enter after, as a tribulation saint/martyr. So it's not a joking matter at all. The rapture is a prize for paying attention in class. It's a special diploma at graduation. Many confuse a "scholarship" (which we obtain at our salvation, and enrolls us in Jesus' class or discipleship training opportunity), with a diploma, which is only for those who graduate, or overcome. As many as have received Him, to them He gives the power to BECOME the sons of God. They are not automatically sons because they received Him. God can take whoever He wants; babies, thief on the cross whatever, but there is a special crown promised to them who look for Him to appear for us. Confusion is the natural byproduct of any race to a finish line where deliberate deception is part of the journey and equation. Kind of like the Amazing Race on TV, (which I never watch but have seen enough to know what it is like) the prize is to the most diligent and wise, not to the ones who think they can give a half hearted submission to Him. Even Paul himself did not consider himself to have obtained it yet but he pressed on toward the mark, the high calling, etc. If you continue in my word you are my disciple indeed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
 
Barry Amundsen