> > Some say that the first 3 ½ years of the tribulation do not constitute the wrath of GOD – they should re-read Revelation 6 carefully.Jimmy, you quoted Rev 6:16,17. I'm rereading Rev 6:12-17. It starts off with "I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL". Even after the great and terrible Day of the Lord has come, the wrath of God is not poured out until the 7th seal is broken in Rev 8. Between the coming of the day and the pouring out of God's Wrath, the Tribulation saints of Rev 7:14 will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture.Rev 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs (i.e., spring figs, the main crop comes in September), when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven (i.e., clouds of the sky) departed as a scroll when it is rolled together (i.e., they look up into the sky and see the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt 24:30, i.e., Jesus sitting on his throne); and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"After the Last-Trump Rapture of Rev 7:14, Rev 8:1-6 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour."There will be silence on Earth at the same time, while Jesus is being seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Hab 2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him."Continuing, Rev 8 says, "And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer (probably a globe with a hole in the top hung by 3 chains); and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."Only after Satan's home on the asteroid Wormwood hits Earth do the trumpets sound.Rev 8:8-11 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain (i.e., probably part of the asteroid that split off at the Roche Limit, 11,000 miles out) burning with fire was cast into the sea (i.e., the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster, star, meteorite or asteroid) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."Isa 22:16-19 tells us more about the asteroid Satan lives on. It says, "What hast thou here? (literal Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (an asteroid, piece of his planet Rahab that split apart)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."
Jimmy Lishman (11 Aug 2011)
"A Preview of what has started to happen"
What we’ve seen happen in the Middle East and also now at a city & country at supposedly the pinnacle of human development and culture, London & England is but an example of every day life after the Rapture. Shocking, but as real as the experience of everyday life for all left behind after the Rapture and during the tribulation.
Some say we will remain until the middle of the tribulation before being taken, called up but I don’t think so. Some say that the first 3 ½ years of the tribulation do not constitute the wrath of GOD – they should re-read Revelation 6 carefully.
Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the military commanders, the rich, the powerful, and every slave and free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,
(bold script, mine)
Note:This is before the anti-christ defiles the temple!
Refusing to call on the Rock of Ages, men have no other choice but to cry to the rocks of the earth.
There are those who say the wrath of the Lamb, the real Tribulation, does not happen until midway into this seven-year period. They believe the church is raptured immediately before Antichrist enters the temple, demanding to be worshiped as God. Adherents to this view, called the Mid-Tribulation or Pre-Wrath Rapture, would do well to read Revelation 6 more carefully, because verse Rev_6:16 makes it clear that the wrath of the Lamb occurs at the beginning of the Tribulation, not halfway through.
"Pray you may be found worthy to escape all of these things," Jesus taught in His Olivet Discourse—not "that you may be found worthy to escape halfway through" (see Luk_21:36).
How is one found worthy? - Simply by being in Christ (Jud_1:24,25). Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless and with great joy, to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority before all time, now, and forever. Amen.
Making the book of Revelation conform to the ways of men can cause gross distortions, saying that it is not chronological etc. To my thinking this is wrong – it is divinely presented in this order, and so it should be read and interpreted.
Love in the coming MASHIAGH NAGID – JESUS CHRIST – KING OF KINGS