Thought I'd get in on the Biblical Concept of the Tribulation.
1. I think we need to establish the definition of tribulation as being dished out by mankind,
what we do towards each other, ie; Hitler, Nero, Stalin, and what
Gov'ts are doing towards their own populations in persecuting
Christians and Jews and other folk who may be in disagreement towards
their Gov't and or what we do in and amongst our familys, neighbors,
co-workers, church members towards each other,ect.. and The
Tribulation or 70 Weeks, Jacob's Trouble, ie; God Dealing Out HIS JUDGEMENT on Israel and the nations, and on Satan, the AntiChrist and False Prophet and the minions of fallen angels.
2. In the course of the 70th week, Jacob's Trouble, Day of
Christ, Tribulation and then the Great Tribulation we have several
things happening. a) 7 seals, b) 7 trumpets, c) 7 bowls/vials, d) 2
Witnesses and their eventual death and resurrection, e) 144,000 sealed
Jewish witnesses, e) Jewish Temple, f) Abomination of Desolation, g)
Confirming or Enforcement of an agreement (to which I hold that Israel
is that cog in the wheel of that covenant especially since we have 2 Jewish Witness, a Jewish Temple and 144,000 Jewish folk running around witnessing for Christ/Messiah and an abomination done in the Jewish Temple),
h) Wormwood, j) seas/waters turning into blood, k) wild animals turning
on man, l) bowling ball size hail, m) earthquakes, n) famines, o) Ps
83? /Gog/Magog war,, p) pestilences, q) final war of all nations led
by Antichrist in Megiddo, q) THE MARK OF THE BEAST and the other many
more events I may have not stated.
3. I sat for quite sometime under the ministry of Vince Morris
the former Dean of Students and professor of the Greek Dept. at Biola
University, and being discipled by his wife. I remember clearly that
he taught in the scope of respected Evangelicalism that there were
differing views on when the Day of Christ, (also referred to as
Tribulation) began. He said some Theologians taught that the Day of
Christ began immediately following the Birth of the Church/Body of
Christ. He said that some felt the Day of Christ came later, the Canon
of Scripture being formed, end of the Apostalic era, and others felt
that the Day of Christ has not yet appeared and that it begins at the
onset of the Confirming of the Covenant lasting 7 years. There are lots
of varying viewpoints all under the umbrella of Evangelicalism.
Insomuch as being referred to as Day of Christ, Jacobs Trouble, ect; he felt that this specific time was an appointed time for Israel, the cog in the middle of the wheel,
and the nations or ethnic groups all around our planet who are alive
and present prior to that enforcment of the covenant will live through
the Tribulaton/Great Tribulation.
If we were already in Tribulation, WHY is it that we do not see a
World Leader that is truly Leading the World? And, who is that False
Prophet pointing us to worship this Antichrist? Where are at least the
1st set of seals? Has anyone seen Elijah or Enoch or Moses around in
Israel?? Has anyone seen 144,000 Jewish men with God's mark on their
heads? Has Babylon fallen in total destruction yet? Are the mountains
falling down around the earth simitaneously???
As for the Red blood covering the waters around the world, the
news reports of this morning state the cap in the gulf is working and
they also pronounced that a large portion of the spill has been cleared
up either through the treatments done to the waters, or evaporation and
clean up crews walking the beaches. (??? Hmm to me)
I see birthpangs that are very large
and looming and I see that all things are set in motion and needing the
Confirming of the Covenant, to which there is a strong evidence that
the Convenant is made with Israel and the "many". The Olso Accords,
or George Mitchell's, along with a host of others that drafted the
contract with Israel, hasn't been fully enforced at this time and it
seems apparent that this has appearances that this may be
that convenant, I do not know for certain. I know that at Annapolis
under GW Bush, it was this contract being fully negotiated on and that
it had within its design a 7 year increment of time put in the contract
and, present at that meeting, many nations were involved on those
I will leave the discussion of when is the timing of the Rapture alone. I have an opinion that it is prior
to the 70th week, Jacobs Trouble, Day of Christ, Tribulation/Great
Tribulation as referenced, and that Israel, being the cog in the middle of the wheel
during that Dispensation of Time and not the Church, Body of Christ,
Bride of Christ, the rapture or catching up will occur. Also, with all the events occurring,
it just seems to me that to accomplish all of these events, it would
take more than 3 1/2 years to fulfill all these events and judgements.
For me, I take a Dispensational, Premillenial, Pretribulation
viewpoint as you may have guessed. I know that when we stand before
our Lord, we will fully know as we are fully known. There will not be
a dim mirror of understanding in the way. PTL!
May each Dove have a very blessed day.