Marilyn Agee (2 Aug 2010)
"CJ said, "2017 is fact!!!!!!"; how close did he come?

From: Marilyn Agee
Re: CJ said, "2017 is fact!!!!!!"; how close did he come?

Hi:

CJ is so sure he is right. But, after so much figuring, any one of his asumptions could be wrong. He could have the wrong start date. He doesn't use the Hebrew Calendar. He uses estimated time instead of Hebrew Calendar time. He doesn't check to see if the preceding year of a Jubilee year is Sabbatic. Using his start date, one can't figure the Crucifixion on a reasonable date. Yet, in the end, he is not right on the money, but closer than one might suspect. He may have gotten his end date by adding 50 years to 1967, year of the Six-Day War. 1967 + 50 = 2017, then reverse engineered the rest. I don't know.

Let's see how they stack up. His first one said,

> > "decree" went fourth in Spring of 445 B.C.!!!!

Daniel's 483 years - 445 + 1 (no zero year) = 39 AD. Most people would figure that's an impossible date for the Crucifixion. I worked on it for years and think Jesus was crucified on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790 (Hebrew), April 6, 30 AD (Julian).

CJ figured the Crucifixion was in 32 AD.

> > We now know it was seven sevens (49 prophetic years of 360 days each) and sixty two sevens (434 prophetic years of 360 days each) for a total of 483 prophetic years of 360 days each, from the decree made in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes (445BC) to the year of the cross (32AD).

I searched for the beginning date on Google, the first post says it was 457 BC. Let's test that for comparison.

"The Beginning of the 490 years: 457 BC"
http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/457.html
"So we see Ezra receiving his decree from Artaxerxes in 457 BC."

A Jubilee 50th year must follow a Sabbatic 49th year. 483 - 457 + 1 = 27 AD sure sounds more reasonable to me. 27 AD (Hebrew 3787) was the Sabbatic Year preceeding the Jubilee year, 28 AD (3788). 3787 divides by 7 equally, so 27 AD was a Sabbatic year.

It seems obvious that near Jesus' birthday (which I think was the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 3787), on the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, in our 27 AD, he stood up in the synagogue and read Isa. 61:1,2 to announce the coming Jubilee year.

The 49th year that preceeds the Jubilee Year has to be a Sabbatic Year, and it is the year when the coming Jubilee Year, the 50th year, is announced on the Day of Atonement. Then the Jubilee year starts the following Nisan 1. No Hebrew year starts on the 10th day of the 7th month. The Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years all start on Nisan 1. The Civil Year starts on Tishri 1.

Re: Jesus' announcement on the Day of Atonement in 27 AD, Luke 4:16-20 says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

That would make 3788, 28 AD, the last Jubilee Year before Jerusalem was burned in 70 AD. Adding 49 repeatedly to 27 AD, we come to 1987 then 2036, so it looks like the Jubilee's stopped in 28 AD and restarted with the Balfour Declaration in 1917.

Adding 49-year increments to 1917 brings us to 1966 and 2015, so the Jubilee would be 2016.

CJ's end date looks pretty close in spite of how he seemed to have arrived at that date.

The Jubilee Year has to be preceded by a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is Sabbatic. So to me, Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016, looks like the first day of the Jubilee Year.

The year 5776 starts on Tishri 1, Sept. 14, 2015, the Feast of Trumpets that I think is the day of the Last-Trump Rapture, the Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath. To me, Sept. 14, 2015 looks like the best bet for Jesus to be given his Millennial kingdom.

On that day, he will be seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven. That aligns with the respectful silence in Heaven and Earth while the judge is being seated.

Rev 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

Hab 2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."

After that Day of God's Wrath, there will be 7 months before the Second Advent, when Jesus can return in glory.

Eze 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them (Gog's army, killed on the Day of God's Wrath, the day the worldwide earthquake makes every wall fall; Eze. 38:18-20), that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

Adding 7 months to Tishri 1, 5776 brings us to Saturday, Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016, because that year is a Leap Year with the 13th month, Adar II. If it was not a Leap Year, there would only be 6 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1. To me, that seems to lock in the date. The following leap year will be 5779.

I think Jesus, Lord of the Sabbath, will return Saturday, Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016. It seems to be the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Years. The Jubilee would run from Nisan 1, 5776 to Nisan 1, 5777, Tue, March 28, 2017.

CJ is lucky to have come as close as he did in spite of using estimated time (30 day months, 360-day years) instead of actual years, etc. No Jewish Year type has 360 days. The 6 types of years run 353, 354, 355, 383, 384 and 385 days.

> > First jubilee of prophecy - Fall 446 B.C
> > Last jubilee of prophecy - Fall of 2017 A.D.
> > Add exactly "50" Jubilee's (2500 prophetic years) or 2464 solar years brings you to Fall 2017, the second coming!!!

I think the Second Advent will be in the spring of 2016, not the fall of 2017, but he seems to be close.

The Jubilee cycle is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is also year 1 of the new cycle. This keeps the Jubilees aligned with the Sabbatic Years. The 49th year before the Jubilee is a Sabbatic Year.

We should use the Hebrew calender, and 5775 is a Sabbatic year. It divides by 7 equally. Therefore, Nisan 1, 5776, Saturday, April 9, 2016, could be the beginning of the Jubilee Year and the date of the Second Advent.

> > Daniel 9:25 gives us exact year of first coming (Nissan 32 A.D.) and second coming (Tishri 10 2017)!!!!

I think Jesus' first coming was his birth on Tishri 1, in 5 BC, his crucifixion was Nisan 13, 3790, 30 AD. I figure his second coming will be April 9, 2016 (Nisan 1, 5776). I see no way that it could be the Day of Atonement. It seems to be on the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years, Nisan 1, 5776.

Herod began to build the Temple in 19/20 BC. The 46th year of construction was during the first Passover of Jesus' ministry in the Sabbatic 3787, 27 AD. Therefore, the Crucifixion would have been in 30 AD.

> > (Which minus 7 years = 2010 for the rapture.)
Not bad for CJ's roughing it out. I think the Rapture will be Cheshvan 17, 5771, October 25, 2010, when Saturn is the only morning star in the sky. Jesus said that he was the bright and morning star, and I think his throne is on Saturn (Eze 1:1,26-28). Cheshvan 17 is when the Lord closed the door of Noah's Ark and it began to rain. The Rapture is as in the days of Noah.

In Mt 24:36, Jesus said no man knew the day or hour.

In Mt 24:44, he said, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

He didn't say we won't know the day. So his clue about as in the days of Noah must have told us the day. Noah went into the Ark, and the Lord closed the door on Cheshvan 17.

Agape,
Marilyn Agee
mjagee@verizon.net
http://prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com

Jim Bramlett (29 July 2010)
"Daniel 9:25 --Timeline (From CJ)"

From 20-year-old CJ (Corey) on the Rapture in the Air forum, July 28, 2010:

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Daniel 9:25...Timeline of the ages!!!

We learn of the solar calendar by observing the sun.

We learn of the prophetic calendar by observing the scripture.

Observing the sun - a solar year has 365.242 days.

Observing the scripture - a prophetic year has 360 days.

What the scripture teaches becomes our insight into Gods prophetic calendar. We learn from the prophecy of the first coming of Messiah.

The prophecy Gabriel delivered to Daniel concerning the coming of Messiah specifies time of His first appearing.

Daniel 9:25

"Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens' and sixty two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
After the sixty two 'sevens', the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing."

Gabriel specifies seven sevens and sixty two sevens from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem till the cutting off of the Messiah.

seven sevens – is the scriptures way of saying the number 49...

seven periods of seven = 7 x 7 = 49

sixty two sevens – is the scriptures way of saying the number 434...

sixty two periods of sevens = 62 x 7 = 434

We now know it was seven sevens (49 prophetic years of 360 days each) and sixty two sevens(434 prophetic years of 360 days each) for a total of 483 prophetic years of 360 days each, from the decree made in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes (445BC) to the year of the cross (32AD).

Even though this is a measurement of 476 solar years, Gabriel calls it 483 years. It is 483 years when the years are measured as 360 day units.

Gabriel is giving the measurements using Gods prophetic units of measurement thereby giving us insight into His prophetic calendar. The prophecy is fulfilled measuring the years as 360 day units.

GODS PROPHETIC CALENDAR OPERATES ON 360 DAY YEARS!!

JUBILEE

Jesus foreshadowed the celebration of His redemptive work by giving Israel a special time of celebration called the year of Jubilee.

Lev.25:10

'Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants.'

Lev.25:13

'In this year of Jubilee everyone is to return to his own property.'

Jesus created the year of jubilee and the major feasts when He created time. The mathematical expression of Jubilee is fifty years. Lev. 25 instructs the Israelites to count off seven sevens(49) years and then proclaim the next year as the Jubilee, thereby creating a cycle of fifty years.

Lev.25:8

Count off seven Sabbaths of years­seven times seven years ­ so that the seven Sabbaths of years amount to a period of forty-nine years. Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land.

Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants.

It shall be a jubilee for you; each one of you is to return to his family property and each to his own clan. The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines.

For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you. Eat only what is taken directly from the fields.

FIRST COMING - SEVEN SEVENS AND SIXTY TWO SEVENS

Daniel 9:25

"Know and understand this: from the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens' and sixty two 'sevens'."

Gabriel’s description of the first coming is seven sevens (49 prophetic years) and sixty two sevens (434 prophetic years) for a total of sixty nine sevens (483 prophetic years) that run consecutively to fulfill the prophecy of the first coming of Messiah.

Sixty nine sevens (483 prophetic years) WITHOUT INTERRUPTION fulfills the prophecy perfectly!

Why did Gabriel separate the sixty nine sevens into two groups of sevens? Why did Gabriel speak seven sevens and sixty two sevens instead of sixty nine sevens when it wasn't necessary to in regards to the first coming?

Scripture interprets scripture!!

We know exactly what seven sevens is from Lev 25.

It is the number of years counted off to mark the year of Jubilee!!!

Gabriel is giving us a reference point on Gods' prophetic calendar. He is indicating a Jubilee cycle encoded in Daniel's prophecy!! WOW

GODS PROPHETIC CALENDAR OBSERVES THE JUBILEE...

NEXT JUBILEE

In reference to a year of Jubilee , the cycle of Jubilee is measured from Atonement, which is Tishri 10 on the Hebrew calendar.

If Nisan, 445 B.C is the year of the "decree", THEN the jubilee that the "decree" occurred in was the fall of 446 B.C on Atonement!!

Now, Atonement in the year 446 B.C was September 27th, 446 B.C because the the astronomical new moon confirmed on Sept 17, 446 B.C, so Atonement is just 10 days later!

Now, measured from Sept.27th, 446 B.C. (Jubilee year begins), the next Jubilee cycle to be fulfilled on Gods' prophetic calendar is cycle number fifty, or 2500 prophetic years because 50 * 50 is 2500 years!

Just as the prediction of the first coming was measured in prophetic year units of 360 days each, we will observe the same unit of measurement to measure to the next Jubilee.

Start from Sept 27th, 446 B.C., and count 2500 prophetic years forward to the get the FINAL (50th) Jubilee of the prophecy! In order to do this we translate from Gods prophetic calendar into mans' solar calendar, the exact same procedure followed to recognize the first coming.

Converting into solar years...

2500 prophetic years x 360 days = 900,000 days

900,000 days divided by 365.242 days = 2464.1196 solar years!!!

2464 - 446 = 2017!!! (allowing for no zero on count)

2017 A.D. is the year in which the prophetic Jubilee cycle is fulfilled!!!!!!!!!

Still don't understand??...

The placement of Daniels seventieth week is based on Gabriel indicating a Jubilee cycle with the words “seven sevens” and Jesus fulfilling Jubilee on His second coming!!

Gabriel specifies the first coming , leaves a gap and then describes the final 'seven' prior to the second coming. This is what we know as the famous Daniels seventieth seven. At this time Messiah will come again.

Daniels prophecy covers both the first and second coming!!!!!!

Encoded within the prophecy of Messiahs' first coming is the key which will unlock knowledge of His second coming! That key is "seven sevens" or Jubilee's!!!

This wording TELLS US that the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel is in JUBILEE years hence "SEVEN SEVEN(S)" or 49 years!!!

In reference to the first coming the prophecy is accurate from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem given in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes ( 445BC)

In reference to the second coming the same prophecy is providing a key in being accurate to the very year of a Jubilee cycle on Gods' prophetic calendar.

In order for Jubilee to be fulfilled, the final seven will fit together with the year of Jubilee!!!

So, the Jubilee prophecy count BEGINS with the FIRST JUBILEE of the decree of Spring 445 B.C which is the fall 446 B.C on Atonement AND ends 50 Jubilee's later at the END of Daniel's Jubilee prophecy..HIS SECOND COMING!!!!

So, fall of 446 B.C (Jubilee proclaimed) PLUS 2500 prophetic years or 50 Jubilee's (2464 solar years) bring us to...

Fall 446 B.C PLUS 2464 solar year conversion count brings you to...

Fall 2018, not count zero as a year...the fall of 2017, the ending of the Jubilee count of Daniel's prophecy that began with the proclamation of the Jubilee in the fall of 446 B.C! During this Jubilee year, the "decree" went fourth in Spring of 445 B.C.!!!!

First jubilee of prophecy - Fall 446 B.C

Last jubilee of prophecy - Fall of 2017 A.D.

Add exactly "50" Jubilee's (2500 prophetic years) or 2464 solar years brings you to Fall 2017, the second coming!!!

Daniel 9:25 gives us exact year of first coming (Nissan 32 A.D.) and second coming (Tishri 10 2017)!!!!

2017 is fact!!!!!!

(Which minus 7 years = 2010 for the rapture.)