Hi Jay...thanks for your thoughts...however...

 

The 2008-2015 time frame is based entirley off of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy:

 

"Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end to sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to annoint the Most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty two weeks: the streets shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times".

 

1. Despite the gravity of Israel becoming a nation on May 14, 1948...the "prophetic countdown" did not start until ,"the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem"...which ocurred on June 7, 1967.

    The 70 weeks prophecy pertains to Israel, but is entirely centered on Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the heart and epicenter of Israel. Thats the current problem, if the world can take Jerusalem from Israel, then what

    does Israel have left? Lastly, I was using Shmita's to validate suggested Jubilee years, which apparently converge with major prophetic occurances. It's an idea, so therefore must be proved.

 

2. The 70 weeks prophecy deals specifically with Israel and Jerusalem...the church has nothing on it. 

 

3. I don't think the Shmita year is a scheme and there is no evidence that suggests that Rabbi's need to know Christ to count Shmita years. Jews are great record keepers, and so they've lost count of the Jubilee,

    but have retained accurate Shmita's. The question is which Shmita will usher in the Jubilee, and for that I don't think its inappropriate to utilize major prophetic events ie. 6/7/67 as markers. However, what I (and

     perhaps others) have noticed is that there is a correlation of significant events occuring on Shmita years, and really exploding on the years after the 49th Shmeta...which would be the Jubilee. I might post

    something on this shortly?

 

4. If 2010-17 then why not 2020-27 or any date for that matter? Perhaps I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem to be based off of anything other than speculation. 2008-15 is based on solid math and concrete prophecy from

    Daniel 9:24-27. Although its no guarantee that Christ will return in 2015, this time frame has enough evidence to make it valid. The rapture has been a sticking point (I know this), but has possible

    explanations and clues with the story of Joseph.

 

5. As for the lunar tetrads...its true we don't know what they indicate. However, when they have occured in the past on feast days, we get Israel becoming a nation, then Israel capturing Jerusalem. Tetrads occuring

    on feast days almost never happens so there's not a huge track record. But combined with the other astronomical events such as the 3 eclipses all on Av 1st, venus transiting the sun in 2012, something that only

    happens every 400 years or so, the other solar eclipses on feast days, the "7 weeks" of Daniel, the symmetry of dates when 2008-15 is assumed...I like to think Israel is going to take all this time around.  

 

Ultimately, I don't view the 2008-15 time frame as being significant because of a couple of coincidences, I think it is significant because there is literally a massive flood of information, fact, coincidence, timing, all converging like a thousand super sonic darts on one bulls-eye...2008-15.

 

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Jay wrote:

 

Stefen et al:

When we step back for a minute and examine the bigger picture, there are several things to note:

1 - No 49th sabbath "shmita" year in 1947-1948 when arguably the biggest prophetic event of the 20th century occurred? Seems like a major strike against the "shmita" year scheme having any true significance, and thus we can reasonably not expect future events to always line up with "shmita" years.

2 - The events you noted in 1917 and 1967 are big events specifically for the nation of Israel, but not for the church. Logic would then dictate that if there's a significant "shmita" year coming up, it would portend a significant event for the nation of Israel again - like the building of the Third Temple, or its desecration.

3 - Let us all be careful not to put more emphasis on this "shmita" year calculation scheme which is mostly a Jewish rabbinical concept, than on the REAL events actually happening and all of which seem to line up with 2017. After all, the Jews today are in darkness spiritually, and it is very likely their calculations and calendars could be off as a result of their separation from God. (For example remember, they did add an entire leap-month to their calendars in the 4th century.)

4 - Also, while the Jews are the nation chosen for the lineage of the Messiah, God deals with ALL the nations during the Great Tribulation, which is a judgment against the ungodly as much as it is the period leading up to the spiritual regeneration of that generation of Jews. And thus signs related to that 70th week and its events would likely include warnings that ALL the nations would be able to see and, if they were able/willing, bring them to repentance. God always patiently warns, even while building up the crescendo to unleashing judgment. Thus we should expect many of the signs pointing to the coming Tribulation to line up with the regular calendar as well. And all of these seem to point to the 2010-2017 time period. The rapture may be mysteriously timed, but the coming massive judgment is not. God warns before He judges.

 

5 - One more reminder that the tetrad of eclipses in 2014-2015 are indeed a sign, but we do not and cannot know exactly as to what the refer at this time. We will only know after it happens (if we're even here). Given where they fall chronologically in the 2010-2017/2011-2018 time-frames, they most likely are a sign of the beginning of the Great Tribulation (the second half of the 70th week), or bracket the desecration of the Temple that happens around the halfway point. Either way, remember that the darkening of the sun & moon talked about in Matthew and Revelation is most likely going to be a supernatural event of much greater duration and significance than any mere eclipses, which last only a few minutes at most and are only observed by a small portion of the planet.

Grace and peace.

Jay