Donna
Danna (24 Aug 2004)
"REPLY TO MARILYN -- THE
CARCASE & THE VULTURES"
Dear Marilyn,
So briefly what you said in your 8/21 post is that the
scene in Rev. 19: 11-21 does not take place until Christ returns with his
armies at Armageddon while the scenes in both Matthew 24 and Mark 13:24-27
take place 7 months prior to Armageddon when the living tribulation saints
are taken to heaven in a Pre-Wrath Rapture while those left behind are
killed on the Day of God's wrath that happens after the living tribulation
saints are taken to heaven. In that case, I don't see why the
spiritually dead who are left behind and who had taken the mark of the
beast couldn't be considered "the carcase" that the vultures gather together
to eat since these men are both spiritually dead and they will be physically
dead on the Day of God's wrath when they are killed after the living tribulation
saints are taken to heaven and the wrath of God falls on these spiritually
dead men. Just like the body of Christ contains many members, I don't
see why "the carcase" couldn't include all the spiritually dead men that
are killed during the wrath of God.
As I explained before, my Greek Lexicon, which is not
the same thing as the Strong Concordance, specifically lists "the eagles"
in Matthew 24:28, and in Mark 17:37 under the Greek word of "aetos," and
gives the meaning of these verses as "vultures." It also lists
"carcase" in Matthew 24:28 under the Greek word of "ptoma" which
means "dead body, corpse, esp. of one killed by violence" while it lists
"the body" of Mark 17:37 under the Greek word of "soma." Those killed by
the wrath of God will certainly die a violent death. My Greek Lexicon
gives the 1st meaning of the word "soma," as 1. "body of man or animal,"
and then it lists two categories under that meaning. The 1st category is
1.a) " a dead body, corpse" and it lists "the body" in Luke 17:37 under
that category rather than under it's other category of 1. b) "a living
body" which is why I continue to think that "the carcase" is not the body
of Christ because none of the body of Christ are spiritually dead, and
only those who have died are physically dead which would not include the
pre-tribulation saints who were taken to heaven alive, or the pre-wrath
saints who are also alive and taken to heaven. Actually the question
in Luke 17:37 that the disciples ask Jesus is "Where, Lord?" They
do not ask him, Where, Lord, are the elect taken?" nor do they ask
him, "Where will the fire and brimstone fall that will kill those left
behind?" Jesus simply answers them, "Wheresover the body is, thither
will the eagles be gathered together."
Some of the other verses that my Greek Lexicon lists
under the Greek word "soma" under the category of 1. a) "dead body,
corpse" besides Luke 17:37 are Matt. 14:12, 27: 52, 58, 59; Mark 15:43,45;
Luke 23:52,55; Luke 24:3, 23; John 19:31, 38a,b, 40, 20;12; Act. 9:40;
Hebrews 13:11; Jude 9.
Some of the verses that my Greek Lexicon listers under
the Greek word "soma" under the category of 1.b) "a living body" are Matt.
5:29, 6:22, 26:12; Mark 5:29, 14:8, Luke 11:34 a,b,c; John 2:21; Romans
1:24; 1Corin. 6:18a,b.
The 5th meaning of "soma" is "The Christian community,
the church as a unified "soma" or body, and some examples of the verses
listed under this meaning are Romans 12:5; 1 Corin. 10:17; 12:13, 27; Ephesians
1:23, 2:16, 4:4,12,16; 5:23,30; Col 1:18,24; 2:19; 3:15.
"The body" in Luke 17:37 is not listed under this meaning.
It is also interesting to note that http://www.cuttingedge.org/newsletters/index.html
has an article posted this week under New Articles Posted This Week
called "VULTURES -- BIRDS THAT FEED ON CARRION
-- ARE SUDDENLY INCREASING DRAMATICALLY IN ISRAEL BECAUSE ISRAELIS ARE
FEEDING THEM, CARING FOR THEM"
God bless,
Donna