Mathman,

 

MathMan (4 Apr 2012)
"If I were a deceiver, I would write "The Book of Enoch""

 

Would you also have overpowered the Holy Spirit at the moment that He was inspiring Jude to write his epistle and deceive Jude into believing that this book that you, as the devil wrote was written by Enoch in order to get an endorsement into his epistle by way of a direct quote attributed to "Enoch seventh from Adam" (which there is only one person who can fit that description, not some team of writers thousands of years later)?

 

Jude 1:

14.  And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
 15.  To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

 

Enoch 1:

9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones

To execute judgement upon all,

And to destroy all the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh

Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,

And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

 

 

So, that would make greater is he who is in the world than He who is in us if the devil could do that. It is far easier for me to believe that God is able to inspire certain writings but keep them separate from the common canon in order to give them a place that only those to whom God wishes to share them will be inclined to look at them and be able and willing to receive that they are of God. This has always been God's chosen way. He hides His precious things among the common things in order to confound the world. Jesus was born in an ordinary stable surrounded by ordinary animals and no one but a few shepherds even knew because they were told by angels. Then when He was grown He appeared to be just a man so that those with discernment could come to hear Him and observe His mighty works and believe and see that He was so much more than a man while those with no discernment would say that he was just a man who blasphemes and does works by the power of the devil. You see the pattern here? It must be so that if one does not accept the things that are of God, he will ultimately attribute those things to the works of the devil which you sir have just done.

 

Therefore, I conclude that it is not really the Book of Enoch on trial here but each one of us to see where we will line up just as Jesus was not on trial really but those who heard Him to see who would believe Him or not. If you do not trust Jude to be a witness for God but dismiss his endorsement of this book then where is your foundation and on what do you place your trust? Is it on modern scholars who must then be MORE inspired that Jude was? Maybe this is why this same Jude said in the latter days it would be necessary for us to earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Again I will say that you are free to believe as you like but as for me, I'll side with Jude on this one and I believe with the Holy Spirit as well whom I believe inspired Jude to write what he wrote. I therefore make no apologies for earnestly contending in this manner. I caution you that call Jude a liar and advise you to consider who it really was that told Jude what to write. When the quote is nearly word for word can you question still that it is authentic? What then would it take to convince one that something is of God?