Suzi – Per your question yesterday.
But, I am confused as to when you talk about THREE in this 'unholy trinity'. Who is the 3rd?
This goes into more detail about the possible 3rd person of the unholy trinity in Novel form. I’ve been on a sort of “sabbatical” from posting on Five Doves so wanted to answer your question but give you some explanation at the same time. - Shalom
Dave was looking over part of Chuck’s manuscript that was now upon the table. Dave said, “I see you have a scene called, “The False Profit”. What’s that about? And why are you spelling it P, R, O, F, I, T?”
Chuck said, “That’s all about, of course, the false prophet, spelled P, R, O, P, H, E, T. Since you asked, I have a question for all of you. What does the Bible say is the purpose of the false prophet?”
“Oh, that’s easy,” said Virginia. “It’s to prepare the way for the antichrist.”
“Very good,” said Chuck, “Although as I’m sure you know, the book of Revelation never uses the word, “antichrist”. On the other hand, the author of Revelation uses this term in both John I and II. So we can use it. Yes, just as John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus Christ, the false prophet will prepare the way for the antichrist. And just as both John the Baptist and Jesus Christ are from the tribe of Judah, in other words Jewish, so we would expect the heritage of both the false prophet and the antichrist would be somehow from the tribe of Judah. Next question, how will the false prophet prepare the way for the antichrist?”
The rest of them looked at each other. Dave finally said, “Okay, what is it?”
Chuck said, “I’ll give you a hint. The key word is, “image”. And as any politician will tell you, image is everything. The purpose of the false prophet is to give power to the image of the antichrist. Here, let me read it.”
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. Revelation 13:15
Chuck continued, “And we know the “he” in this verse is the false prophet because he is identified later in verse 19. See.”
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 19:20
“I couldn’t agree with you more,” said Virginia. The false prophet caused the image of the beast to have life, and then to even speak. The Bible is describing talking pictures, what we call motion pictures. The image has life because the image moves just like the real thing. And the image speaks as well!”
“Well, blow me over, and call me late for supper” said Elizabeth. “I never thought the Bible was describing a video, no less. Just imagine, only 100 years ago they had no idea what this was talking about, let alone 2000 years ago. My word, gave life to the image and had the image speaking as well, how much plainer could it be.”
Chuck said, “Not much plainer to me anyway. So, I think we can agree that it seems clear now that “image” can mean a motion picture. Or it could mean the persona of someone created for the consumption of the masses. Or both.
Obadiah said, “Well, it is pretty easy to figure out who gave power and money to the lawless one.”
Chuck said, “That is true. Let’s say that the first beast introduced in Revelation 13 is the false prophet and the second is the antichrist. Which means that it would be the false prophet that gives power to the image of the antichrist in verse 15. That would also explain why it was the dragon who gave power to the false prophet in verse 4.
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? Revelation 13:4
Chuck continued, “The question is whether the dragon gives earthly power by acting through and possessing a person. We know the dragon is later identified as satan. Okay, here it is.”
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:9
Dave said, “I really have to share this. I was thinking of the triangle of the unholy trinity with satan at the bottom. I have also been playing with the numbers of these various names while you were all talking. I know satan can change from the devil to lucifer, an angel of light, seeing whom he can deceive, so he shows two faces. So I was thinking the name should reflect these two faces by being divisible by the numbers 13 and 8. Running the numbers I found that while “satan” and “devil” were both divisible by 8, the word “serpent” was divisible by both 13 and 8. There you have it. Then I was thinking that the name of the false prophet could be 8, reflecting one face, and the name of the antichrist, of course, divisible by 13. Of course Chuck, the first, middle, last, and even mother’s maiden name of one you identified in your play as possibly the lawless one are each one divisible by 13. I then tried the first and last name of one who clearly gave power to the lawless one, and guess what, it was divisible by 8!”
Virginia said, “Really, both first and last name separately were divisible by 8?”
Dave said, “Well no, just first and last name together.”
Obadiah said, “Well that’s something anyway.”
Chuck said, “To me, that really is something.”
Dave said, “There’s more. I was also thinking of King Arthur Pendragon again and that Merlin gave power to Arthur. But then Excalibur really gave power to them both. I then came to the realization that Excalibur represents the serpent, but not just represents, Excalibur is the serpent. Think about it. Excalibur bites with its two edges just as the serpent bites with its two fangs. In the triangle of the unholy trinity you would have at the bottom Excalibur in place of the serpent rising up from the depths of the lake of fire. Guess what? The number for the word “Excalibur” is divisible by both 13 and 8 just like the number for the word “serpent! Not only that, but while the number for the word “serpent” is 520, the number for the word “Excalibur” is exactly twice 520 at 1040!”
Stuart said, “You know, there really must be something to these numbers.”
Obadiah said, “Oh yea of little faith. After all this time, you are just now coming around?”
Stuart smiled and replied, “What can I say.”
Dave said, “Well, guess what I can say. If that made you think, this will blow you away! Both Merlin and Arthur fit on the unholy trinity triangle as well. Merlin would be the false prophet as the word “Merlin” is divisible by 8 while the word “Arthur” is divisible by 13! The dragon Excalibur gives power that appears good that is divisible by 8 to Merlin while at the same time gives power that is bad that is divisible by 13 to Arthur. Have you ever seen someone with a tattoo of a serpent wrapped around a sword?”
Stuart laughed and said, “Okay, now you’ve got me convinced!”
Elizabeth said, “Praise the Lord.”
Chuck said, “Anyway, my original false prophet in the play, which you all have easily figured out, is still very active today in predicting the future. Just last night on TV I heard him predicting that in the United States we would have increased inflation, then increased unemployment, then actual state defaults. Even now this guy is quite active, so he hasn’t gone away. And he has many billions of dollars, some even think trillions at his disposal to enable him to create a false image of the lawless one.”
Stuart said, “And boy did this guy have to grease a lot of palms to create this false image.”
Dave said, “Boy, that’s for sure. I was just reading about the lawless one’s step-grandma saying she was present at his birth in Kenya and then he has dozens of lawsuits that must be constantly prevented from even coming to court. As the English version of Pravda stated in, well here is the source,”
Dave continued, “If any of these cases are ever able to be just heard in court, not won, just heard, it is all over for the lawless one. Because, the case will be over in the discovery phase. And even conservative estimates for what’s been spent so far are close to a billion dollars. Where’d the money come from?”
Stuart said, “He does have a problem. Of course, I’m sure building his image in the first place took a lot of money. You don’t go from being a nobody with virtually no means of support, to what was he? Oh yea, first a teacher at a college, then to State Senator and then to United States Senator in 2006. Then, by 2008 he’s the US President. That’s some kind of miracle. Someone with mighty deep pockets had to build that image, almost overnight. And had to bury is old image along with his college transcripts under a different name, and the biggest of all, his birth certificate.”
Obadiah said, “You know how it says he will make war on the Saints and overcome them? Well, he sure did overcome Alan Keyes. Twice. If there was ever a Saint in government, Alan Keyes sure qualifies.”
Stuart said, “Yeah, I love that guy.”
Obadiah continued, “Me too. And there were indeed many Saints that voted for him. So this could be at least a partial fulfillment of Revelation 13:7 where it talks about overcoming the Saints and then be given power over the most powerful country in the world.”
Dave said, “True, virtually power to control the whole world. Who can make war against the US?”
Obadiah said, “If anyone had a compelling interest in having him disqualified for not showing he meets the requirements to be President, it was Alan.”
Virginia said, “I wonder what would happen if just one of all those cases finally makes it to just to the discovery phase. Maybe that’s his mortal wound with the sword.”
Stuart said, “Yea, the sword of truth. All those appointments out the window. Just think, that will include his latest to the Supreme Court.”
Obadiah said, “I don’t think anyone will argue there were more qualified persons to sit on the Supreme Court. Her main claim to fame was that she had successfully defended the lawless one against all those lawsuits. Or should I say, got them thrown out of court before they could be heard. Didn’t even have to defend them in court!”
“Amazing, isn’t it,” said Eveyln.
“A miracle,” said Stuart. “Or should I say many miracles.”
“Yes,” said Dave. “Almost like fire descending from heaven and burning each of those lawsuits up the moment they touched a judge’s hand.”
Chuck said, “Dave, you of course are referring to what it says in Revelation. I suppose another possibility could be smart bombs like those dropped in Iraq. They could destroy all of the lawless ones opposition. Just imagine if that is how the Saints are overcome. Remove all opposition. Of course that only leaves his supporters. That could also explain how his wound by the sword is healed. But Dave, I like the sound of your way better.”
Dave said, “Thanks, Chuck. And as you were saying about the false prophet.”
Chuck said, “Oh, yes. The false prophet gave power to the image of the beast. And we know that the word “image” means not the real thing. He has an “image” created for him, a history, a religion, a set of beliefs, what we can call a façade covering up the real person. And another meaning is like in a motion picture where we have an image which is given life, to move, and to even speak. And to do this took a whole lot of money. That is one thing the false prophet has in spades. He made literally billions if not trillions of dollars in profit, by predicting the future.”
Obadiah said, “I thought that was what true prophets did. You know, predict the future.”
Chuck said, “Let me clarify that. He predicted the future, usually the collapse of some countries currency, and then he caused that future to happen, or rather “nudged” it. And for that he was handsomely rewarded through buying and selling futures and shorts on the currencies. You realize in all of this making of money, none of it was from producing any goods or services? So, whether this person is “the” false prophet, he is definitely “a” false prophet, in both senses of the word.”
Stuart said, “Don’t you mean both senses of the two words? You know, the one ending in P, H, E, T, and the other in F, I, T!”
Virginia said, “If you are a true prophet then you can predict the future and you could make a lot of money.”
Obadiah said, “I don’t think God would give someone the gift of prophecy so they could profit from it. Remember, Daniel refused the King’s money? And also remember the story of the prophet Balaam and his donkey? You know, how the Angel of the Lord was going to kill him for trying to profit? But then the donkey refused to move? And then Balaam beat his donkey?”
Elizabeth said, “I shore ‘nough do. I love that story!”
“You do not,” said Virginia.
“No, I really do,” said Elizabeth. “It has a moral. It means we shouldn’t abuse the gifts God gives us.”
“True,” said Chuck. “But from all indications, the gift of prophecy was not bestowed upon this false prophet. True, he is of the tribe of Judah on both sides of his family. And remember, Jesus declared that John the Baptist, also of the tribe of Judah, was the greatest prophet born of women.”
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: ……Luke 7:28
“So,” said Obadiah, “Let me get this straight. Both the lawless one and this particular false prophet, well at least false P, R, O, F, I, T, have Jewish blood coursing through their veins.”
“Yes, of course,” said Chuck. “While we’ve talked about the lineage of the lawless one and even how we think his father’s side should go back all the way to Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, people have actually run his lineage all the way back to Solomon on his mother’s side. But he isn’t a full blooded Jew. However, this false prophet has Jewish blood on both his mother’s and father’s side.
“Okay,” said Virginia. “I’m confused. I thought you said that the lawless one is the 3rd and not the 4th horseman. Yet that doesn’t leave anyplace to put the false prophet. And then you start spelling it as if it was profit from money. The guy you are talking about may have made billions but the lawless one is in charge of trillions.”
“True,” said Chuck. “Which means the false P, R, O, F, I, T would be on a world-wide scale well over a thousand times greater than this other person. We’ve already seen in the last two years massive out of control spending by the United States government that dwarfs the previous years spending. And we’ve seen the printing presses going wild. This can only lead to the dollar becoming worthless. And any securities redeemable in US dollars will become worthless as well. We already know the US has had to sign away to the Chinese government its parks and public lands as collateral against its greenback. And the only reason we haven’t seen the complete collapse of the US dollar is because it is the reserve currency of the World. And as they say, when the US sneezes, the World catches a cold.
Dave said, “Sure brings into perspective how the third horseman is described in terms of how much it costs to buy food. I believe it’s like a days wages for a small amount of grain. Here let me pull it up and read it.”
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. Revelation 6:5-6
Chuck said, “You can see my dilemma. The lawless one sure fits being the third horseman, and for many reasons not just this one.”
Obadiah said, “So how did you have everything in your original play?”
Chuck said, “Well, before the producers and the money people and everyone got involved I had the false prophet making a false profit, F, I, ,T, and giving over 6 billion of his ill gotten gain to the Democratic National Committee which assured the election of the lawless one. I had a scene where Jesus was hailed as King of Kings and the next where he gets violently mad at the money changers in the Temple, fashions a whip, drives them out, and overturns their tables. I had this verse being read.”
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; John 2:15
Obadiah said, “Jesus was the Prince of Peace. Well actually He IS the Prince of Peace. Yet this is the only time I know that He did get violently, physically, mad.”
Chuck said, “Exactly. He got physically mad at the money changers for their ill gotten gain, their false profit. They were exchanging money from Jews who had come from all around the world to celebrate the Passover that week at the Temple in Jerusalem. These Jews had money from all around the world. They needed animal sacrifices that could only be purchased with local money, the type the money changers were exchanging.”
Stuart said, “I’m sure the exchange rates were particularly steep right before Passover.”
“Yes,” said Chuck. “That is exactly what they did. They manipulated the exchange rates of currency from around the world to make money. And that is exactly how the false prophet has made billions of dollars of false profit.”
Elizabeth said, “That’s what I like to see. Taking the present back to the Bible. History repeating itself. To think, Boy, Jesus getting violently mad. The only time I can think of him getting violently mad. And money buys influence, today just as it did back then. No wonder Jesus was crucified that same week.”
Chuck said, “Money does buy influence. Tell me about it. That’s why I’ve had such a hard time getting my play produced. Do I change my play to get it produced? But if I don’t, will it ever be seen by the public?”
Dave asked, “Isn’t it better to have part of the truth come out than none at all?”
Obadiah said, “I don’t know. Is a half-truth better than no truth? Won’t a half-truth deceive so the person will no longer receive the whole truth? Doesn’t a vaccine introduce part of a virus or a dead virus so the person is no longer affected by the real virus?”
Virginia said, “So, Chuck, in your original play you had the false prophet who prepared the way for the lawless one. And you had the lawless one being the third horseman. So, who did you have as the fourth horseman.”
Chuck said, “I had as the fourth horseman, the dragon, the serpent, the green reptile.”
Stuart chuckled, “I’m sorry. I was just picturing this giant green talking lizard.”
Virginia said, “You’re thinking of the TV commercial.”
Stuart said, “Yes, with a British accent, or is it Australian?”
Obadiah said, “Seriously you guys. I had figured this out from the unholy trinity Chuck had showed us with satan, who is the serpent, who is the dragon, at the bottom.”
Virginia said, “Shouldn’t we be seeing this green reptile pretty soon?”
Chuck said, “Well, according to the timetable I had in my play, the third horseman would confirm a covenant with many at the 7 year countdown mark on October 29, 2008. I was able to identify the third horseman by looking at that date. Then the fourth horseman would reveal himself to his brethren at the 5 year countdown mark on October 19, 2010. I have not been able to identify yet the fourth horseman.”
Elizabeth said, “Maybe because you aren’t one of his brethren.”
Chuck said, “That’s a good point. That makes me feel better anyway. Maybe I shouldn’t be doubting my ideas for the third and fourth horseman. Maybe I shouldn’t be entertaining the idea of forcing the false prophet into the position of the third horseman.”
Stuart said, “So how do we decide who is the third and who is the fourth horseman?”
“Simple,” said Elizabeth, “We look at the first and second.”
Chuck said, “Elizabeth, you are exactly right!”
Dave said, “You know, I’ve mentioned James Harrison’s book “The Pattern & The Prophecy” before. I remember him devoting quite a bit of time to the first and second horseman, Napoleon, and Hitler. He calls them the two antichrists or beasts of modern times, but not the ultimate antichrist. Here, it will only take me a second to look it up. Oh yeah, I found it on page 280. He starts off by saying under the section titled, “Hitler and Napoleon” the following:”
We have seen the Antichrists of the ancient world: Cheops, Nimrod, Semiramis, Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander, Nero, and the Roman Empire. Now we will investigate two beasts of modern times: Hitler and Napoleon.
Dave continued, “He goes on to say on page 283:”
· The parallels between these two sons of satan began at birth. Napoleon wasn’t French; he was born on the island of Corsica and always spoke French with an Italian accent. Hitler wasn’t German, he was Austrian; he spoke High German with an Austrian accent. For that matter, Alexander wasn’t completely Greek; he was Macedonian, and he always spoke in a Greek dialect.
“Boy,” said Stuart. “Look at the parallels. We know the lawless one isn’t American, being born in Kenya and then going to grade school in Indonesia. He would have had British citizenship through his father. We also know he visited foreign countries as a young adult that were off limits to Americans. So he had to have a passport as a citizen of another country. He also lived on an island growing up, like Napoleon. Well, two when you count Hawaii. That sure fits.”
Chuck said, “And the one I had originally as the 3rd horseman, the possible false prophet isn’t American either. Plus he’s connected in several ways to the 2nd horseman, Hitler. See, Hitler was born in Austria-Hungary, which later became Austria. This original false prophet was born in Hungary. Then, as a teenager while his Dad spent time as a Jew in prison, he actually assisted with confiscation of Jewish property. There’s another parallel as well. He is also lived on an island growing up, but one close enough to the mainland where his Dad would take a rowboat from the island each day to work.”
“Very good points,” said Dave, let me read on:
· By 1812 Napoleon was the master of Europe; and in 1942 Hitler was dictator of Europe. The former tried to impose his Continental Monetary System; the latter forced his New Order Economics for buying and selling on a defeated continent. Sound familiar? Aren’t we hearing identical phrases today? In each case Russia and England refused to fit into these controlling webs of economic domination.
“I just noticed,” said Obadiah, “We have exactly 130 years between 1812 and 1942. There’s that number 13 again. Although these are actual years and not prophetic years like we have exactly 13 between the birth or Ray Mabus and the birth of the lawless one. Let’s see, the lawless one was elected president of the most powerful country in the world in 2008. And from 1942 to 2008 is 66 years. Now what kind of coincidence is that?”
“Some kind of coincidence!” repeated Elizabeth. “I’m getting goosebumps!”
Dave said, “Also, very good points. There are a lot of parallels here in this book. I don’t know how many will continue with the lawless one. One that was of interest to me was the one about the summer solstice.
· Each Beast’s decision to invade Russia took place on the summer solstice – a satanic high Black sabbat. Napoleon’s was on 22 June 1812, Hitler’s on 21 June 1941.
Dave continued, “Starting on page 286 he has, well let me just read it.”
To mock Christ’s Millennial Reign, Hitler proclaimed the Third Reich would last a 1000 years. The propaganda for this attempt at reviving the Holy Roman Empire (the First Reich) was under the masterful control of a second beast, Joseph Goebbels. This false prophet organized all Hitler’s propaganda triumphs.
But the beast was captured [in the Bunker] and with him the false prophet who performed the miraculous signs [propaganda] on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those [Nazi members] who had received the mark of the beast [swastika] and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur [gasoline soaked pit].
Virginia said, “So this guy is saying that Goebbels was the false prophet and Hitler was the antichrist?”
Dave said, “I don’t think that is what this guy is saying.”
Virginia said, “Well that is how it sounded to me. Now are we to expect Hitler’s deadly head wound to be healed and they’ll bring him back to life like Jesus Christ was brought back to life? Maybe they already have?”
Dave said, “No, I really don’t think so. I realize some think that all ideas are equally valid, especially if there is no evidence to the contrary. But I’m certainly not among them. I also realize that the wilder the idea, the more likely for some to accept it. “
Obadiah said, “Hey, that’s like Hitler’s idea of telling a big lie because that is more believable to people. The reasoning being that these people can image someone telling a small lie since they tell small lies, but it is beyond their comprehension that someone would tell a big lie, because they wouldn’t.”
Virginia said, “But you can’t just dismiss this idea.”
“Okay,” said Dave. “We can’t just dismiss it. But from everything else he is saying, both Napoleon and Hitler are antichrists that lead up to the final antichrist. And his analogy of the swastika being a mark of the beast is interesting. In a sense they needed it to buy or sell. And then the hexagram that was placed on the Jews didn’t allow them to buy or sell and actually marked them for death. Since Chuck is using stars in the shape of a hexagram as the mark of the beast, we have another tie-in with Hitler, but we don’t have Hitler.
Obadiah said, “And you don’t see his name equaling 666.”
Dave said, “Funny you should mention that. Cause this book now gets into how both the names Napoleon and Hitler can equal 666. He first refers again to Tolstoy and Napoleon’s Russian campaign in the third volume of War and Peace, chapter 19. Basically, it says that Tolstoy is treating the French alphabet in a similar way to the Hebrew enumeration. However it looks like he skips the letter “J”. It also looks like he counts by 1’s up to 10, then 10’s, up from there. The Hebrew enumeration stops counting by 10’s once it reaches 100. Then counts by 100’s. Well, I guess it is close.
Virginia said, “I didn’t quite catch all that!”
“Okay,” said Dave, “We have, A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, K=10, L=20, M=30, N=40, O=50, P=60, Q=70, R=80, S=90, T=100, U=110, V=120, W=130, X=140, Y=150, Z=160. Got it?”
“I think,” said Virginia. “It says that the name “Napoleon” equals 666 using this code.”
Dave said, “Okay, actually it uses his title in French also, so the complete phrase is, “Le Empereur Napoleon”.
Virginia said, “I don’t mean to be argumentative but where do they get off leaving out the “J”? I happen to know French and it has the same exact alphabet as the English. Why, the Norman French even conquered England at one time. All our English kings, the French, English, well even some of the German’s, are related.”
Dave said, “I don’t know. Maybe the language was different 200 years ago. Here let me search the internet for, well it was probably called “middle French” like we have “middle English.” Okay, looking up “middle French alphabet”. Let me scan this. Okay, I found something at Wictionary.org. Let me read it..
The Middle French alphabet uses 25 letters, the 26 letters of the Modern French alphabet, minus the j which is written as an i.
Virginia said, “Let me see that. Okay, I see that. But look here, it says the break between Middle French and Modern French was around 1600 AD. Although the way this reads, it sounds a little vague. But regardless, you still have to keep counting by 10’s after 100 to make it work, instead of switching to counting by 100’s. I’d like to see it with the current code.
Dave said, “That’s easy to do”, as he pulled up his code converter. Dave continued, “Typing in “Le Empereur Napoleon” it comes to well, look at that, 966.
They all crowded around to look at Dave’s computer screen. Obadiah said, “an upside down six followed by two right-side up ones. That’s pretty close for an antichrist leading up to the antichrist.”
Dave said, “Well, let’s just try Napoleon. Okay, that’s 266. Boy sure a lot of 66’s. But I’d like to add in Tolstoy’s defense he uses the same alphabet again with the same result. Here look at Napoleon.”
L E E M P E R E U R N A P O L E O N
20 5 + 5 30 60 5 80 5 110 80 + 40 1 60 50 20 5 50 40 = 666
Dave said, “Now look in this book at how Tolstoy added up “quarante-deux” which means 42, the number of months that God will allow the antichrist to rule, to also equal 666.”
Q U A R A N T E – DE U X
70 110 1 80 1 40 100 5 + 4 5 110 140 = 666
Dave continued, “And then he brings up another code for getting Hitler starting with A=100 and counting by 1’s. Look at this.”
A=100, B=101, C=102, D=103, E=104, F=105, G=106, H=107, I=108, J=109, K=110, L=111, M=112, N=113, O=114, P=115, Q=116, R=117, S=118, T=119, U=120, V=121, W=122, X=123, Y=124, Z=125
H I T L E R
107 108 119 111 104 117 = 666
Chuck said, “Thanks Dave. That really brings us up to the present day with the lawless one, the third antichrist, the third horseman.”
“That reminds me,” said Obadiah, “What happened to the fourth horseman? Chuck, how are you covering that in your play?”
“Oh, the green horseman,” said Chuck. “Although the King James uses the word “pale”. But then the King James turns around and uses the word “green” elsewhere for the same Greek word. It’s also the same Greek word we get our English word, “chlorophyll”. You, know the green substance in plants. Although when green plants die they do turn pale.”
Obadiah said, “The green horseman, the pale horseman. We already have a white horseman which isn’t much different than pale. So maybe the correct translation is green.”
“Who knows,” said Stuart.
“Who cares,” said Virginia, almost under her breath.
Dave said, “So Virginia, the color makes no difference to you?”
Virginia said, “I don’t see how the color helps us in identifying the last horseman.”
Obadiah said, “It did with the first three.”
Chuck said, “Well, you know how Daniel says that the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy Jerusalem. We know the Romans destroyed Jerusalem. So, there are many who think the British Empire is the rightful heirs of Rome, the destroyer of Jerusalem. The people of the prince are British so the prince that is to come will be British.”
Obadiah said, “The British Monarchy sure seems to think so, anyway.”
Chuck continued, “So what is part of Great Britain called but the Emerald Isle? And where is considered the epicenter of the International Date Line but in Greenwich, England? Even the name gives it away. You know, Green Witch. A play on words.
“Cute,” said Stuart
Chuck said, “It’s not just cute. It’s serious. But then there are those who believe the last horseman really will be green. More precisely he is believed to be Nimrod who by some accounts was 2/3rds alien demon and 1/3rd human. The only scenario that seems possible from a reproduction standpoint is if the genetic material was somehow manipulated to create a 2/3rds alien or 66.6%, and 1/3rd human or 33.3%.”
Stuart said, “There are those numbers again, 666 and 333.”
Obadiah said, “This sure sounds like satan in some evil way trying to one-up God. You know, Jesus Christ being considered only half Creator God and then half human. What would it have to be? I was thinking Man has a double helix DNA. Wouldn’t this have to be genetic manipulation somehow into a triple?
Elizabeth said, “Don’t know if I go in for all this alien stuff.”
Dave said, “Don’t know if we will really know until they are revealed. We do know there are demons. Whether they can actually procreate and did, is a good question. Whether this is where the giants came from, the titans, which by the way the word “titan” in the Greek has a number equivalency of 666, who really knows. They could have been Cain’s seed. All we know is there were giants in the land.”
Chuck said, “That is true, I would point out though that what differentiates males from females is that males have an X and a Y chromosome while females have two X chromosomes. However, there are males genetically born today that have two Y chromosomes and an X. Studies have been conducted as to whether this predisposes them to violence. There are a disproportionate number of these males in prison. However there are others that have been able to lead productive lives. So instead of the actual helix being somehow a triple, we could just be talking about two Z chromosomes and then an X. The bottom line in my book is as in the days of Noah, well let me read the verses I have in my notes.”
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:4-5
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6:8
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37
Chuck continued, “The bottom line is that we would expect a tall person, although height is relative. We have people alive now at over 8 feet tall. Let me look at my notes. Okay I see Goliath of the Bible was around 9 ½ feet tall if you use 18 inch cubits or 13 ¾ feet tall if you use 25.2 in cubits. However, I still noticed a progression in height among the 4 horsemen. Napoleon still holds supreme as being the prime example of “short man syndrome”. Yet there is some disagreement whether he was 5’ 2” or 5’ 6”. You see, his French physician reported at his death that he measured 5’ 2” tall. But some think these were in French inches, slightly larger than British inches. This would be equivalent to around 5’ 6” British. However, his death certificate was cosigned by several British attending physician witnesses. Would they have allowed the measurements of this French tyrant to have been stated in anything but British units? Doesn’t matter, I heard they have a full length desk mask of him anyway that measures around 5’2” to 5’ 3”.”
Dave said, “You are just full of facts. So how tall was Hitler?”
Chuck looked down at the paper in front of him. “He was, let’s see, around 5’ 8”. And then, I’ve got the lawless one in my play as being 6’ 1” tall.”
Obadiah said, “Let me throw this one out. I notice each of the second and third horsemen around 5 inches taller than the previous. So, following the same projection we have the final antichrist as being, 6’ 6”. See the double 6’s.”
Chuck said, “Good speculation Obadiah. However, Nimrod was reported as being considerably taller. Maybe 9’ 9”, who knows. But lets go on to his other qualifications. Remember how it looks like all three horsemen spent much of their childhood growing up on islands? Well Nimrod grew up on the island of Crete. There you go.”
Dave said, “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea. That’s from the 1st verse in Revelation 13.”
Chuck continued, “Very good Dave. I was also going to point out that Nimrod is said to have died from a head wound. You wouldn’t happen to remember that verse?”
“Not off the top of my head,” said Dave. “Oops. Sorry. Bad taste. Didn’t mean to say that.”
Virginia said, “I don’t get it.”
Dave said, “Never mind.”
Chuck said, “I’ve got the reference on my paper. I’ll read it.”
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Revelation 13:3
Chuck said, “So if he came back to life, even if they used genetic manipulation to insert his DNA into a donor, his head wound would in a sense be healed.”
“Wild speculation,” said Virginia.
Chuck said, “Now you see why I wrote a play on the lawless one instead of the green, or should I say, pale prince.”
Obadiah said, “He would be pale if he were dead no matter what his original skin color.”
Chuck said, “Reading on, I’ve got the following verses and list.”
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Revelation 17:10-11
Chuck continued, “Now one interpretation is these are not just kings but kingdoms and by incorporating the kingdoms prophesied in Daniel we have the following empires in the following order”:
7. “Holy” Roman Empire / Spanish / French / British / German Empires?
Chuck stopped and looked around and then said. “Rome, as the Iron in Daniel’s statue seems to continue till the end of this age in one form or another. As some have noted, the “Holy” Roman Empire was neither “Holy” nor particularly Roman, although it contained many of the same countries as Rome. It definitely persecuted the Saints as documented in Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. But then after this we have the British empire which cannot be excluded as it was the largest empire in all of history. That should qualify it for something. And the effects of this kingdom are still felt to this day in that the world has now one main language in which best to communicate, that being English. And the last one I have on this list is.”
8. Revived Roman Empire?
Chuck looked up from his paper and looked around. Everyone was looking intently at him. Chuck continued. “The first reason I had the revived Roman Empire is because that is the popular belief because the last empire could belong to the prince that is to come whose people destroyed the Temple in 70 AD. While the second reason is because we are still in the iron of Daniel’s Kingdom Man, although maybe iron mixed with clay.”
Stuart said, “Well that is pretty close to what I’ve heard throughout the years.”
Chuck said, “True, however another way to look at this is these really could be kings. Furthermore all these kings could be antichrists leading up to the final antichrist. So, we should look for kings throughout history who set out to destroy God’s plan for the salvation of His people. Anyway, the list I’ve compiled for this is:”
1. Nimrod – The Assyrian - Tried to kill Abraham
2. Pharaoh – Egypt - Enslaved Israelites. Killed male babies in attempt to kill Moses (Jupiter / Saturn conjunction?)
3. Nebuchadnezzar – Babylon - Destroyed Jerusalem and deported inhabitants
4. Hamon the Agagite – Medes/Persians – Tried to annihilate all Jews in the World
5. Alexander – Greece – Slaughtered all Males of Tyre, (northwest of Jerusalem) and sold all woman and children into slavery
6. Herod – Rome – Conquered Jerusalem. Killed male babies in attempt to kill Jesus (Jupiter / Saturn conjunction?)
7. Hitler – Tried to wipe out Jews so Israel would not be reborn
8. Nimrod – The Assyrian -Will try to wipe out all Saints so no one left to form Bride of Christ
Chuck paused for a moment and then asked, “What do you think?”
Obadiah said, “Interesting!”
Dave said, “Definitely thought provoking. I saw where you also slipped in without really discussing it about Nimrod being “the Assyrian.”
“Yes,” said Chuck. “There is so much in the Bible dedicated to discussing the Assyrian. One of my favorites is in Micah where it tells the story of Jesus Christ who was born in Bethlehem, returning to the Mount of Olives, cleaving the rock below him as foretold in Zechariah 14, after the remnant have returned to Israel, and doing battle against the Assyrian, and winning. Here, let me read it starting in Chapter 1 for background.”
The word of the LORD that came to Micah the Morasthite in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the LORD from his holy temple. For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place. Micah 1:1-4
“Then, said Chuck, “Let’s move to Chapter 5 where the birthplace of Jesus is prophesied and the Assyrian is mentioned with nimrod.”
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. Micah 5:2-6
Virginia said, “Boy, my mind is about to explode. Can we table this and begin bright and early tomorrow morning?”
Stuart said, “Fine with me. It is getting late in the afternoon. Been an interesting day.”
“Amen to that,” said Elizabeth