Michael Colunga (22 Apr 2011)
"RE:  Bruce Warner, various kvetches"

 
Hello, John and Doves,
 
John, please print at least the first half of this post, for God has different ways of interpreting His Word.  How else could He have celebrated Passover twice in the space of twenty-four hours?
 
Let's see why you have put me in such a good mood, brother Bruce.  I say you're half right.  That gives me the most mirth, seeing that you have the best of intentions.
 
First off, the Feast of Firstfruits was on a Sabbath, the seventh day of the week in the year, 33 A.D., attested to by the heavens.  Let no man doubt.  See http://bethlehemstar.net/day/day.htm.
Thus, the Preparation Day must have been the day before the weekly Sabbath.
 
Secondly, 15 Nisan being a Sabbath, it was forbidden to light a fire "throughout your habitations" on that day.  [Exodus 35:3]  The question becomes, how does one roast a lamb without a fire?  Food was cooked indoors.  Thus, "twilight" cannot be inerrantly substituted for "even."  However, if one observes that there was a massive solar eclipse on the day Christ died, 14 Nisan, 33 A.D. [there was a Supermoon on that date], then one immediately sees that God created His own "twilight" to satisfy guys like you, bro.  But He also graciously saw to it that our LORD and Savior, Jesus Christ, our Pascal Lamb, died at exactly the ninth hour--3 pm.  [By coincidence?  That's not a Kosher word.] Lambs were being slaughtered at the temple at that exact same hour, thus forever fixing [if it was not fixed already] the meaning of "even" to the hours between 3 pm and 6 pm.  Thus, while the lambs were killed and roasted before sunset, the Passover Seder usually continued until past sundown.  As such, Passover and Unleavened Bread are inextricably intertwined.
 
Once again, for those of us accustomed to the idea of "even" meaning "twilight," the Scriptures show that Jesus celebrated Passover just as the 14th of Nisan was just beginning, about 21 hours before He died for our sins.  Jesus is in your corner, bro.
 
On the subject of the counting of the Omer, one only need go so far as looking in the heavens.
I will not specify here the amazing occurrence to occur on Sivan 6/June 8, 2011.  I will let one of our dear sisters on Five Doves give her eloquent enlightenment:  http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2011/donnad35-1.htm.  Please click on the article at the bottom of Donna Danna's post.  This is proof positive that Pentecost is on Sivan 6--always.
 
Here is the reasoning:
1.  The first day of the Feast of Unleavened bread is a holy convocation.  As such, no customary work is to be done on that day.  Although not expressly described by the LORD as a Sabbath, yet it is a day of rest.
 
2.    Therefore, in the following verse, one can count starting from the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
    "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete...."  Lev 23:15
[The proof that "sabbath" can be termed, "rest day," is included in #5, below.]
 
3.    Therefore, the verse that says,
    "And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it,"  merely fixes the Feast of Firstfruits to the first Sunday after Pesach.
If you read Leviticus 23 carefully, you can see that the Feast of Firstfruits is part of the actual harvest of Barley.  As such, it is a day of customary work.  There is no directive to rest.  It must be on a Sunday.
 
4.    As a consequence of the counting of the Omer being able to be counted from 15 Nisan, in any given year, is that Pentecost [Shavuot] is always on 6 Sivan.
 
5.    This is because there are three Feast days that are specifically Sabbaths:  10 Tishrei, 15 Tishrei, and 22 Tishrei.  [Lev 23:27-32; 23:39].  Therefore, it is no stretch to consider the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread a sabbath rest day, even though it is always on 15 Nisan.
 
6.    Moreover, it can be proven that in any space of 49 days, there are always seven Sabbaths.
Therefore, when the Scripture says,
    "...[F]rom the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete...." [Lev 23:15], it can be understood that seven weekly Sabbaths shall have passed in any counting of 50 days.  And, of course, some of the time, Shavuot will fall on a weekly Sabbath.
 
7.    Thus, we can say with moral conviction that Pentecost is always on 6 Sivan.
 
8.    And here's the kicker, bro:  If the 14th of Nisan happens to be a Sabbath day, then "even" is definitely to be understood to be "twilight."
 
All of this to say, between the two of us, wisdom is to be found.
    "A word fitly spoken [is like] apples of gold in settings of silver...."  Proverbs 25:11
 
In HaShem,
Mike C.
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Bruce Warner (20 Apr 2011)
"TO: Michael Colunga RE: YOUR RESPONSE ON (19 Apr 2011) TO MY PREVIOUS POST..."

Dear Brother Michael,

In your response you stated, "The last time I checked, a fruit is not a grain." Please read the following Scriptures:

Leviticus 23:10 & 20 (Feast of Firstfruits & Feast of Pentecost)
(10)"When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of THE FIRST GRAIN you harvest.
(20)"The priest is to wave the two lambs before the Lord as a wave offering together with THE BREAD OF THE FIRSTFRUITS."

I do believe that these Scriptures are both referring to the 'first grain' of the harvest as the 'firstfruits' of the 'grain' harvest. The "bread of the firstfruits" is certainly made from grain, not fruit. Scripture refers to 'grain' as the 'fruit' of the field.


You also stated,"Brother Bruce, it is a good idea that when you read the Word, that you understand the Word. Don't make fundamental errors, like claiming that the Omer count starts on Firstfruits." Please read the following Scripture:

Leviticus 23:15
"From the day AFTER the Sabbath(the day AFTER is Firstfruits Sunday), the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering (which is the Sabbath day BEFORE Firstfruits Sunday), count off seven FULL WEEKS. Count off FIFTY DAYS up to the DAY AFTER the seventh Sabbath (again, the day AFTER the Sabbath is Sunday)."

I do believe that the Omer count 'BEGINS' on the 'first day of the week' which is 'Firstfruits Sunday' and runs for seven FULL (seven day) WEEKS. The DAY AFTER the 'seventh sabbath' is also a Sunday. (seven full weeks X seven days per week = 49 days + 1 day = 50 days) The Omer count 'begins and ends' on a Sunday which is "THE DAY AFTER THE SABBATH".


You also stated, "If someone substitutes 'twilight' or 'sunset' for 'even', then they miss the whole point of Passover." Please read the following 'two' translations of Scripture:

Leviticus 23:5 (KJV)
"In the fourteenth day of the first month AT EVEN is the Lord's Passover."

Leviticus 23:5 (NKJV)
"On the fourteenth day of the first month AT TWILIGHT is the Lord's Passover."

I do believe that the use of the words "even" and "twilight" in these translations are equivalent here.


On this, your statement, WE DO AGREE: "One must rightly divide the Word of Truth"

Love you brother.
YBIC, Bruce Warner