John B
(30 Apr 2011)
"I don't believe you have to be a Math expert to decipher 666 and identify the first beast, the antichrist"
Doves,
The bible says in Daniel to close up the books until the end of times
and then at the time which is now, God would share information from the
bible that in the past seemed hidden or hard to understand. I believe
that through world events that are happening and a flood of discernment
that God is sharing with His people that the glass that we have been
seeing dimly through is getting much clearer.
I haven't followed Doves for all that long but in that time I have read
multiple articles whose authors went into great mathematical detail
trying to identify the first beast, the antichrist. And through
exhaustive calculations, they, using multiple complex methods, come up
with the number 666, the number of the beast and then align it with a
person to establish the identity of the antichrist. We have all
read these posts and the myriad of individuals who have been declared
to be the antichrist based on the extensive calculations adding up to
666.
Let me ask you a question---Do you really believe God would make it
that hard for the average person to establish the identity of the
antichrist? My answer to that is no and I will share with you what I
believe is the simple solution to 666 and the identity of the
antichrist. An answer so simple that any common person could calculate
it with a little wisdom and understanding of the bible.
God's word says in Rev.13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him who
has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the
number of a man: His number is 666.
The four key clues or instructions God gives are:
1) the word wisdom
2) calculate--some calculation will be necessary
3) the beast will be a man
4) when you are done calculating, you will end up with 666
Now we know that scripture answers scripture and we know other places
in scripture where God talked directly of this beast that had seven
heads and ten horns which we call the antichrist. And the place in
scripture that describes this beast the clearest is in chapter 17 of
Revelation. So when we go there lets look for information describing
the beast who is a man, clues God gave us, and somewhere in the text
where we will have to calculate because God told us that we would have
to calculate.
The first clue God gave us in Rev.13 is a phrase about wisdom, He
said--"Here is wisdom". So lets look in the text of Rev.17 and see if
God speaks of wisdom. He does, in Rev.17:9 He says "Here is the
mind that has wisdom" or here is the spot to focus on that I was
telling you about in Rev.13:18. So now that we are at the spot in God's
word that He wants us to focus on, is there anything there in His
verses about a beast, a man, and something we can calculate??? There is
indeed.
In the next verses God tells us that the seven heads that were on the
beast that came out of the sea represent seven kings and one of these
first seven kings will be the antichrist and he will also be the eight
king. God tells us that one of these kings who is the beast was, and is
not, (he died) and yet is, he appears to come back to life. When God is
telling us all these things He does it in a manor where He supplies
clues and then simple calculations are needed to come to a conclusion.
Here is the text from Rev.17:9-11 that we will work from:
9 "Here is the mind that has wisdom: The seven heads are seven
mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five
have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes,
he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is
himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
So lets look at the three questions God gives or asks in these verses and then do the simple calculations.
1st question--- Five have fallen, one is, and the other has
not yet come. The answer to which one this is, is the 6th
2nd question--- The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth. The answer to which one this is, is the 6th
3rd question--- he was one of the seven. Which one of the seven was he?The answer to which one he is, is the 6th
So we followed God's simple instructions and went looking for a man who
would become the first beast with seven heads and ten horns, the
antichrist. We answered a verbal puzzle God gave us concerning this man
that was composed of three questions or clues and the answer to all
three questions was 6,6,6.
Rather than write it all over again as to the identity of this man who
will become the antichrist or the instead of christ, I'll just attach
the article I wrote earlier in the week which discloses his identity.
Christ be with you,
John B
John B (25 Apr 2011)
"The identity of the "antichrist" or more to the point the "instead of
christ"---I challenge you Doves to correct me if I am wrong"
Doves,
I am going to build a case for this person who will
be known as the first beast of Revelation, the antichrist, the instead
of christ, or the in place of christ, and I challenge you Doves who are
steeped in the bible to correct me if I am wrong. Somehow I don't think
there will be much correction coming in that scripture answers
scripture and I stayed as close to it as I could. That said, let me
list some of the things we know from scripture about this person.
1) He is a beast that comes out of the sea. Rev.13
2) He, the beast, has seven heads and ten horns . Rev.13
3) One of his seven heads "had" been mortally
wounded and his deadly wound was healed. Rev.13
4) He will claim to be Christ (as per Jesus). Matt.24
5) He will be a king from the bottomless pit. Rev.9:11 and Rev.17:8
6) He, this beast, with seven heads and ten horns is
someone who was, and is not, and yet is, and will ascend out of the
bottomless pit. Rev.17:8
7) He will be one of seven kings, five have fallen,
one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must
continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also
the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Rev.17:10
8) This beast's identity will marvel those that
dwell on the earth, except for the people whose names are written in
the book of life. Rev. 17:8
9) He, this beast, will be given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies. Rev.13:5
10) He will take away daily sacrifices and offerings. Dan.8:11 and Dan 9:27
11) He will defile the sanctuary fortress, then take
away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of
desolation. Dan. 11:31
(note #10 and #11 are not the same, explanation will follow)
12) He, this beast with seven heads and ten horns is
in complete collaboration with an institution described as a drunken
woman. The woman who rides the beast. Rev.17
13) He, this same beast will align with ten kings.
These ten kings will be of "one mind" and they will give their power
and authority to him. Rev.17:12-
13.
They will make war with the lamb and the lamb will overcome them.
Rev.17:14
Before we go farther with who the seven headed, ten
horned beast, the antichrist is, lets describe who the drunken woman is
who is in complete collaboration with the beast. Keep in mind that John
the apostle is writing this in 95AD and is describing this woman /
institution that has not yet been established. He sees and describes it
from the vision the Lord is giving him. And for an institution that
didn't yet exist, the details of the description John gave are simply
amazing.
1) This woman represents an institution compiled by
peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. Rev. 17:15
2) This woman / institution also represents a great
city which reigns over the kings of the earth.
Rev.17:18
3) This institution is recognized by it's colors of purple and scarlet. Rev.17:4
4) This institution is recognized by it's use of golden cups (chalices) Rev. 17:4
5) This institution is recognized by it's great wealth. Rev.17:4
6) This institution is recognized for it's
many abominations and fornications Rev.17:4
7) This institution is recognized for it's mystery. Rev.17:5
8) This institution is recognized for it's glorification of itself and it's luxurious living. Rev.18:7
9) This institution / great city is built on seven mountains. Rev. 17:9
10) This institution is recognized for it's trade in
gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple,
silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of
ivory, every kind of object of precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble
and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil,
fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies
and souls of men. Rev.18:11-13
There is only one institution that fulfills the
descriptions John wrote of and that is the Roman Catholic Church. 1It
has churches around the planet covering nearly every nation, tongue and
people. 3The colors of it's bishops and cardinals are purple and
scarlet. 4It has millions of golden cups / chalices used in it's
churches. 5It has been noted for it's great wealth throughout the
centuries. 6The bible calls homosexuality an abomination and the
Catholic Church has been completely immersed and awash with those
abominations since it's inception. 6Another meaning for fornication is
worship of idols. God commanded us in the second commandment not to
make any carved image (idol) in the likeness of anything in heaven, or
the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth Exodus 20:4.
When you look at the listing of the ten commandments in the Catholic
Church you will find that they deleted God's second commandment and
substituted one of their own. And they have over the years paid homage
and adoration to countless statues and idols in complete disobedience
to God's command. The numbers of fornications that the Catholic Church
has had over the centuries with the kings and rulers of the earth and
people in general are distastefully vast and have been logged
throughout history.7The Catholic Church calls the sacrifice of the mass
or the Eucharist a " mystery" and keep re-sacrificing Jesus millions of
times a day (in the Mass or Eucharist) around the planet to pay our sin
debt. Meaning that Jesus didn't fully pay our sin debt on the cross.
Unbelievable blasphemy. 8 I don't think anyone who knows the Catholic
Church over the centuries could dispute it's extreme glorification of
itself and it's luxurious living. Throughout the centuries their clergy
had the best of everything. 9 The institution / great city is built on
seven mountains. Rome the home of the Vatican is the city built on
seven hills / mountains. 2 The Vatican City in Rome is the headquarters
of the Roman Catholic Church and has and does reign over many nations
and kings of the earth.10 In the Vatican City the Catholic Church over
the centuries has amassed huge quantities of gold and silver and every
kind of precious object made of ivory, bronze, marble, iron and rare
woods. They have huge underground caverns packed with the most precious
of relics and antiquities of the planet. As one of the signatures of
the Catholic Church they burn incense, fragrant oil and frankincense in
their celebration of the mass or special holy days. Wine for their
chalices and fine flour and wheat for their wafers (hosts) that they
use as representations for the body of Christ. When the clergy gets
dressed for mass they put on fine linen and then cover that with fancy
silk robes adorned in precious stones and pearls. Notice how God worded
the phrase "fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet" describing how the
bishops and cardinals of the Catholic Church dress. There is absolutely
no doubt that John the apostle was referring to the Roman Catholic
Church when he wrote Rev. 17and 18.
Well I guess it time to start filling in the blanks
for the identity of the first beast the antichrist. I'll follow the
numbered descriptions I made to start.
1 This beast comes out of the sea. That's correct
but ,the beast comes out of the Holy See. He comes out of the central
government of the Roman Catholic Church which is defined below.
Holy See
the episcopal jurisdiction of the Catholic Church in
Rome, in which its Bishop is commonly known as the Pope. It is the
preeminent episcopal see of the Catholic Church, forming the central
government of the Church. As such, diplomatically, and in other spheres
the Holy See acts and speaks for the whole Roman Catholic Church. It is
also recognized by other subjects of international law as a sovereign
entity, headed by the Pope, with which diplomatic relations can be
maintained.[1]
Although it is often referred to by the term "the
Vatican", the Holy See is not the same entity as the Vatican City
State, which came into existence only in 1929, while the Holy See, the
episcopal see of Rome, dates back to early Christian times. Ambassadors
are officially accredited not to the Vatican City State but to "the
Holy See", and papal representatives to states and international
organizations are recognized as representing the Holy See, not the
Vatican City State.
While all episcopal sees are "holy", the expression
"the Holy See" (without further specification) is normally used in
international relations, as a metonym, (as well as in the canon law of
the Catholic Church)[2] to refer to the See of Rome viewed as the
central government of the Catholic Church
2 He has seven heads and ten horns. This is
explained in Rev. 17, the seven heads are seven kings and the ten horns
are ten kings who are of one mind and will give their power and
authority to the beast.
3,5,6,7 One of the seven heads "had" been wounded
and healed. We know from above that the heads mean kings so one of the
seven kings "had" been wounded and he was healed. What do we know about
these seven kings? The bible says five have fallen, one is (the one
John the apostle is focused on which is the sixth king), and the other
is yet to come. And when he comes, he must continue for a short time.
The beast that was and is not, is himself the eighth, and is one of the
seven, and is going to perdition. This scenario sounds very confusing
and difficult but when you plug it into world history it is simple and
clear. The Vatican in Rome was not it's own country until 1929 and once
established as a country it's Popes were it's kings. There has been
seven popes or kings of the Vatican since 1929. When John had the
vision he was looking at the sixth pope, the five previous popes had
died, the seventh would continue for a short while and the eighth pope
/ king who was one of the original seven will be king again. The bible
says that this eight king is the beast from the bottomless pit that
was, and is not (he died) and yet is, he appears to be alive again. And
oh yes this king "had" been shot and wounded and was healed.
There is only one person that answers this puzzle God gave us and that
is Pope John Paul II or his clone. Now lets plug him into the rest of
what we know about this beast the antichrist and see if he is indeed a
complete fit.
8 The beast's identity will marvel those who dwell
on the earth except for those whose names are written in the Book of
Life. Right after the Rapture of the Church, John Paul II will appear
on earth and calmly explain to the world what just happened to millions
of people who have disappeared. He will completely marvel those people
who are left behind with his lying signs and wonders and his oratory
skills. The raptured saints whose names are in the Book of Life will be
gone so he will not marvel them, they will be in heaven and know the
truth. But the left behind people will be flabbergasted at this pope
they knew so well who died and appears to be alive again. 4,9 He will
speak great blasphemies and claim to be God and will perform miraculous
signs and wonders to convince the world of what he speaks. 10 He will
cancel daily sacrifices and offerings (the Mass) for the Catholic
Church, the sacrifice of the Eucharist won't be necessary anymore
because he (God) is now on earth. 11 He will also defile the sanctuary
fortress, and take away the daily sacrifices of the Jews in Jerusalem,
and then place there the abomination of desolation (probably his image
that is to be worshiped). He in conjunction with the false prophet
(Mahdi?) will call on all to worship him as God and to take a mark on
their hand or forehead signifying their allegiance to him. Anyone not
having this mark will not be able to buy or sell and will be killed if
caught.12 He will use the collaboration of the drunken woman (Catholic
Church) with it's world wide establishment to format his organization
and power. And keep in mind that Satan's millions of fallen angels from
heaven above will have been cast to earth at the Rapture. And this
entity cloned as John Paul II is also the king of the bottomless pit
commanding countless beasts of the earth. So between the fallen angels
from heaven above and the beasts of the earth this king of beasts, John
Paul II, will command a huge evil force to manipulate the planet.13 He
will also align with ten kings. These ten kings will be "of one mind",
that one mind will be Islam, and they will give their authority and
power to the beast. This Islamic confederation will make war with the
Lamb Rev.17:14 and the Lamb will overcome them. I believe this happens
in Ezek. 38,39. The remainder of the Islamic confederation (with the
thought put in their hearts by God) will turn on the woman, the harlot,
the Catholic Church and destroy her with fire Rev.17:16-17. It appears
from Rev.18 that the Vatican City and Rome may be destroyed by a
nuclear bomb and the world will lament and mourn for what they perceive
as a great loss. Rev.18.
I believe that there will be a world wide huge
earthquake at the Rapture and the United States will incur enough
damage that it will be a relative non power player in the end scenario,
not to mention that a significant portion of it's population may leave
in the Rapture.
Also in Rev.9:14 a two hundred million man army
squares off for battle that has been arranged by four of God's angels.
These angels have been prepared specifically for this purpose. The only
area of the world that could field that many troops is the far east,
China, India, and Pakistan. It appears there will be a nuclear exchange
and the bible says that a third of mankind will be killed in this
battle, that's two and a half billion people, which appears to take the
far east out of the final scenario as well.
The Catholic Church has been warming up the world to
the idea of friendly UFO's and have recently aired their views, so you
can expect great numbers of them to come on the world scene right after
the Rapture and they will be as friendly as "demons" can be.
There is a lot more to the whole end time scenario
but I tried to focus on the antichrist and his affiliations. By the way
I read today in an article by Patrick Heron that "anti "in Greek does
not have to mean against, it can mean instead of, or in place of. So
this entity appearing to be John Paul II will take the place of Jesus
and declare himself to be God until Jesus destroys him with the
brightness of His coming at Jesus' second coming.
For all you Catholics out there (and I "was" one for
over forty years) I'll remind you what God has to say to the Catholics
in Rev. 18. He says "Come out of her (the Catholic Church) my people,
lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For
her sins have reached heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities." I
could write a very long book on the abominations by the Catholic Church
over the centuries against God, they are almost too many to be
numbered. If you don't believe me just crack open your history books
and newspapers and compare God's words and instructions in the bible to
what the Catholic Church did over the centuries. And if you do, you'll
not walk---- but run from this evil institution.
May the Lord or His servants share with you the truth of His words before it's too late,
John B