Hi:> > Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.> > I believe they are the righteous Jews who died before Christ, and reside in Abraham’s Bosom (Paradise). These are the ‘dead who shall rise first’, and that MUST be done early in the Tribulation period so they can do their duty and preach the Gospel to all the nations.
> > Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.THE SECOND RAPTURE, THE LAST RANK IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION1Cor 15:22,23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming".I think the 144,000 Israelites will be caught up to Heaven in the second Rapture, the "last trump" Rapture that will take place right after the Day of God's Wrath arrives on the Feast of Trumpets that will end the shortened Tribulation.ON A DAY LIKE NO OTHER--EVER, THE 144,000 WILL BE RAPTUREDDan. 12:1-3 says, "And at that time (i.e., when the False Prophet shall be deposed; Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (the time of Jacob's trouble, the Day of God's Wrath), SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: AND AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE (the 144,000 Israelites) shall be delivered (raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book."THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE IS ONE LITERAL DAY LIKE NO OTHERJer 30:7 says, "Alas! for THAT DAY is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it."
THE SECRET OF HIS TABERNACLE
Psa 27:5 says, "For IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE (i.e., the Day of God's Wrath, a day like no other) HE SHALL HIDE ME IN HIS PAVILION: IN THE SECRET OF HIS TABERNACLE SHALL HE HIDE ME, HE SHALL SET ME UP UPON A ROCK (a planet, i.e., Saturn, the third heaven)."To me, the main secret of his tabernacle was that the Holy of Holies (the third cube, whose length, breadth and height were equal) represented Heaven, a sphere that would fit inside a box whose length, breadth and height were equal.THE BIG PICTUREI think the altar, made of Earth's uncut stones, represented Earth, the place of Jesus' sacrifice. The two cubes of the Holy Place represented Mars and Jupiter. The single cube, the Holy of Holies, represented Saturn, the third heaven, Paradise, WHERE PAUL WENT.2Cor 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ (Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."Josephus indicated that the 7 lamps on the lampstand in the Temple represented the planets, including the Sun. The western lamp that was to always be kept burning represented the Sun. The second lamp represented Mercury, The third lamp represented Venus. The fourth lamp, the middle one, represented Earth. The fifth lamp represented Mars. The sixth lamp represented Jupiter. The 7th lamp represents Saturn, the outermost of the naked-eye planets. (Ant. III. VI. 7; Wars. V. V. 5)Zech 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "behold, I bring forth my servant The Branch. For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, rings), i.e., Saturn has 7 rings.In Eze. 28:13, the entire 10 original planets are represented symbolically by gemstones. The Lord said to Satan, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (i.e., surroundings), the sardius (1, Mercury), topaz (2, Venus), and the diamond (3, Earth), the beryl (4, Mars), the onyx (5. Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (6, Jupiter), the sapphire (7, Saturn), the emerald (8, Uranus), and the carbuncle (9, Neptune), and gold" (10, Pluto).Now that we know that Saturn is symbolized by a sapphire, we can understand Eze. 1:26-28 easily. It says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the orbits of the terrestrial planets Mercury, Venus, Earth [1:15] and Mars) was the likeness of A THRONE, as (symbolic language) the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus, the God/man, v. 1) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., the 7 rings). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Heaven has a halo.> > Earthly events leading to Gog/Magog and the One world government/economic system are in place… waiting for an event to force their implementation.I agree. The Christians, the salt of the Earth, are probably hindering things now. After they are taken away at the first trump of God, the Tribulation will come.The Gog and Magog War is on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Shortened Great Tribulation. That is when the worldwide earthquake will take place. Every wall shall fall, and the cities of Earth will become shambles in the day the towers fall.The 144,000 Israelites, plus a great multitude that can't be numbered will be caught up to Heaven at the "last trump" just before God's Wrath falls on Earth. At that time, 2 pieces of Satan's asteroid, Wormwood, will impact Earth (Rev. 8:8-11). The first will hit the Mediterranean Sea. The second will destroy Babylon III.Satan's planet, Rahab, was split apart, probably because of his sin. After that, he made his home on a fragment of Rahab, called Wormwood in Rev. 8:10,11.Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon III) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possedded False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (Wormwood) Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (Iraq, at Babylon, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."Ken Schortgen (13 Apr 2009)
"The 144,000"http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2009/kens413.htm
Doves –
Although I have off and on read many of the letters written on this board, this is the first time I have chosen to write one.
To others I speak to, and on other boards that have Christian/End Times discussion, the one thing they seem to miss is Purpose… is there a Purpose for the Rapture and Wedding Ceremony beyond simply believers being taken to ‘hide’ in His pavilion? (Psalm 27:5)
I noticed in one of the recent letters, coupled with what most I have talked to believe, is that the 144,000 will come from Jews who are here on the earth. But if you look closely at Rev 14, I feel there is undisputed evidence in scripture that the 144,000 arent chosen from men ON the earth, but rather, from men OF the earth.
Rev 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
The Lamb (Christ) standing with the 144,000 here on Mount Sion… it cannot be a place that resides in the Physical Plane of the earth, since if that were the case, Christ would have fulfilled a returning short of the Second Coming. In the ancient Apocryphal book of Adam of Eve, the early creation of God resided on a Holy Mountain from Adam to Enoch/Noah, when the mountain was cutoff from man for the duration of man’s time on the earth.
2nd Book of Adam and Eve, Chapter 19
8 And Jared continued to teach his children eighty years; but after that they began to transgress the commandments he had given them, and to do many things without his counsel. They began to go down from the Holy Mountain one after another, and to mix with the children of Cain, in foul fellowships.
9 Now the reason for which the children of Jared went down the Holy Mountain, is this, that we will now reveal unto you.
Chapter 22
5 He then said to his son, "O my son, I know that God intends to bring the waters of the Flood upon the earth, and to destroy our creation.
6 "And ye are the last rulers over this people on this mountain; for I know that not one will be left you to beget children on this holy mountain; neither shall any one of you rule over the children of his people; neither shall any great company be left of you, on this mountain."
10 Altogether, not one of our fathers or of their children, remained on that holy mountain, except those three, Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah. For all the rest went down from the mountain and fell into sin with the children of Cain. Therefore were they forbidden that mountain, and none remained on it but those three men.
Next in Rev 14, we see the 144,000 spoken of in verse 3:
Rev 14:3
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Redeemed FROM the earth. Redemption is a process that cannot take place ON the earth, as if you look at the works of the Apostles, they speak of Redemption as a future effect for man after their lives are done.
Rom 8:23
And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
Eph 1:14
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Eph 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
So even though through the blood of Christ we are sealed away with the promise of Redemption at a future appointed time, it is not something that occurs, or takes place when we are saved and transformed by the Holy Spirit.
However, a Redemption of 144,000 men DOES take place in the End Times, and it isn’t ON the earth, its from men From the earth?
So… who are these men?
We know they are Jews who will preach the Gospel (The Kingdom) to all the nations, and will be untouchable. This means Redemption for them will be to be cleansed of Adam’s sin (mortality) and walk on the earth and among the people in Adam’s original, glorified body.
I believe they are the righteous Jews who died before Christ, and reside in Abraham’s Bosom (Paradise). These are the ‘dead who shall rise first’, and that MUST be done early in the Tribulation period so they can do their duty and preach the Gospel to all the nations.
Rev 14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Redeemed FROM men, not defiled by women (their redeemed bodies were not born of mortal women, or carry Adam’s sin) and are the first fruits. (See Rom 8:23 above as a parallel).
First Fruits… meaning offspring. THIS is the offspring in the Wedding chamber between the Bride and the Bridegroom… the process of redemption for the righteous Jews who died before Christ came.
As we pass the feast of First fruits here, I cannot imagine that the time for the Bride to be taken to the pavilion (wedding chamber) can be delayed too much more. Earthly events leading to Gog/Magog and the One world government/economic system are in place… waiting for an event to force their implementation. We have earthquakes in diverse places, and the volcanoes, as well as the sun, moon, and stars are groaning of this time now.
Anyway, I wanted to share this Wisdom the Lord showed me here, and hope that it can be of help in your studies and confirmations from the Holy Spirit.
Ken Schortgen Jr
theprofessor@cox.net