It appears we are getting sidetracked. This forum is for sharing, not for debates. There is no need to lock horns. You may cross swords or spar a little, but you should just make your point and back off a little. Or else the thread will have to be closed for the time being.

On the topic of free will vs predestination, Scripture affirms both. We should just accept both and not go beyond what is written.

But this is not the only debate going on right now. When you make your opponent look bad, you don't look too good yourself. So, I say, debate less but share more.