RE: "Isralestine: Psalm 83 or Ezekiel 38, "Which Is the Next
Middle East News Headline?"" http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2008/donnad419-3.htm
I was in the same
boat too! These questions used to go round-and- round in my head, leaving me
utterly confused. One by one, I stumbled onto good preachers who expounded on
the End Times. Preachers like Dr. John MacArthur had done some wonderful
sermons on end times and in fact you can access his transcript of the sermons,
and then of course there is Dr. David Jeremiah’s “Escape the Coming
Night” etc. But it was David Baye, who runs the Cuttingedge ministry,(C/E)
who was able to fill in the niggly gaps which gave the complete picture.
David Bayes
articles: please go through these for they give you a focussed picture of the
future....
·
THE COMING
PROPHESIED ANNIHILATION OF THE PALESTINIANS -- TODAY'S
HOUSE OF ESAU
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1422.cfm
·
LEADING ORTHODOX JEWISH SCHOLARS CONFIRM CUTTING EDGE
TEACHING THAT TODAY'S PALESTINIANS ARE THE "HOUSE OF
ESAU" (Obadiah 15-18) http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2095.cfm
·
GOD THREATENS END
TIMES JUDGMENT AGAINST NATIONS WHO "DIVIDE" ISRAEL'S LAND
http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1806.cfm
These articles
really did shed some light into this knotty puzzle for me. Of course, none of
us can be sure of the exact way the timeline can fall, but for the moment I have
‘sort
of’ worked out some semblance of order
or sequence, if you will, in my mind.
David Baye has
delved into a lot of illuiminati plans and he is adamant that there would be a
THIRD WORLD
WAR
before the Peace Treaty is signed in the ME. Note: BEFORE the Peace Treaty is signed.
·
BEFORE
THE PEACE TREATY.... ISRAELIE/PALESTINIAN WAR (Obadiah 15-18, Isaiah 17)
That would be the
war of Obadiah
15-18. The annihilation of the House
of Esau/Palestinians. Since the immediate neighbouring countries such as
Palestine,
Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan are missing from the list in the
Gog and Magog
war,
I believe that, they are already decimated or crippled in the Israeli/Palestine
war, to such an extent, that they won’t raise their heads and give a helping
hand for the invading Russian Coalition forces mentioned in
Ezekiel 38-39
(Gog
and Magog war)
I read in the news
sometime back, which I am sure you too would not have missed, is that Syria was
moving all her ancient artefacts from Damascus museum, expecting some damage
when they go for a war with Israel. At the moment they are harping on the fact
that the IDF are making preparations to start a war with them.
When the
Palestinians rise up against Israel, these above mentioned countries are sure to
join in, and, then I guess, the prophesized destruction of
Damascus, of Isaiah
17
would take place as well, and she would be made ‘a heap of rubble’.
Edom
is modern day Palestine
And He (God) will stretch
over it (Edom) a measuring line of confusion and the plummet stones of chaos
over its nobles. They
shall call its nobles to proclaim the kingdom, but nothing shall be there
..." [Isaiah 34:11b-12; Parallel Bible,
KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary] "They shall call its nobles to proclaim
the kingdom, but nothing shall be there". From
these verses we understand that the statehood of Palestine will not come to
fruition.
There would not be
any Palestinian state, as such, for Israel has neutron bombs that would destroy
every living things, but would not destroy the buildings etc. The present,
Olmert govt has no intention of just giving everything away to the Palestinians
on a silver platter and walk away with their tails tucked between their hind
legs. They are making all these overtures to show the world that they were
prepared, to bend over backwards, to make PEACE with their neighbour, but it was
the Palestinians, comprising of the Hamas and Hezbollah, who were the
aggressors and started the war of aggression. This way, they will justify
their actions of using the A Bomb, and demonstrate to the whole world that the
fault was with the Hamas govt. This is one of the reasons that, they meekly
evacuated Gaza and now willing to give up 64% of West Bank.
The main objective
of the elite is to have the 3rd Temple
built in time, so that eventually their ‘christ’/AC can sit in the temple, and
demand worship from the whole world. This could never be achieved
as long as the thorny issue, in the form of Palestinians are around. The
Palestinians and especially the Jordanians (they owned Jerusalem until ‘67)
would never allow the Third temple to rise up on the Temple Mount. At the moment
there is always tremors on the Temple Mount, and modern day scientists are
capable of bringing a earthquake, for it is not such a big deal! Once the Dome
of the Rock comes crumbling down and the Palestinians are out of the way, the
Third Temple could be constructed without delay.
The Masonic Jews
don’t care two figs about building a temple, for the true Messiah, but their
life-long obsession is to see their AC positioned there! Hence Palestinians
have to be REMOVED permanently. This is where Obadiah 15-18 comes in. In my
humble opinion, this has to take place BEFORE the Peace Treaty is signed.
In
fact I sincerely believe that RAPTURE may take place before the prophesized
annihilation of the Palestinians and other surrounding
nations. For Rapture is supposed to be an
event without any precursor or signs. Further before the Lord truly turns His
attention to the Jews, I feel He would remove His Bride from the earth.
Otherwise we would be a distraction for Him J!
Tribulation would begin with the
signing of the Peace Treaty. (Then the Tribulation would
begin comprising of 2520 days or 7
years)
·
WHITE HORSE- Rev 6:2/Daniel
9:27
(Tribulation, the first half of the
7 year period- 1260days)
After Obadiah
15-18, the other surrounding Arab nations would be agreeable to a Peace Treaty
fearing the power of Israel; countries such as Saudi Arabia and other Arab
nations, and this would be brokered by the “Prince, who is to
come”
(Daniel 9:27). Since US is quite conspicuous by her absence in the future peace
treaty, even though at the moment Ms Rice, Cheney and Bush are running to and
from ME, like chickens without heads, we are forced to arrive at the conclusion
that US would not play a major part in the all important Peace Treaty, which
will be signed by the AC. As long as US is around EU cannot come into
prominence. US seems to fade away from the world scene, giving room for Rome
and “the prince who is to come” to come into the limelight. According to Tim
Cohen in his book “antichrist and a teacup” the peace treaty has been already
forged in the Oslo Accord, but due to the fact there is delay in the rapture
taking place, I believe it has been shelved for the moment; but the moment
rapture takes place, Israeli/PA war takes place, then this Oslo Accord would be
dusted off and without too much delay it would be duly signed by the AC/ Israel
and other Arab countries. At the moment, looks as if, since Tony Blair is
hovering around, he would bring his prince, to sign the
peace treaty. In fact, I feel on
the side line, the Jews would be given the tacit approval to build their
3rd Temple. But even before the ink is dried on the paper, the
Gog/Magog war would erupt. Say for instance, I am not saying it would happen
this way, this is only a SUPPOSITION....
Rapture takes
place on Pentecost
Between Pentecost
and Rosh Hashanah the Palestinian war, involving the neighbouring countries
–Obadiah 15-18
Rosh Hashanah the
signing of the Peace Treaty with the remaining Arab countries and the permission
to rebuild the Temple given to the Jews- Daniel
9:27
·
RED
HORSE-
Rev
6:4
According to Grant
Jeffrey in his book “Appointment with Destiny- Armageddon”, Ezekiel ch 38-39
may take place
around Hanukah, that would place it in Dec. He has brought forth some
convincing arguments showing how in the past so many events have taken place on
God’s Festivals.
Hence from end of
Sept to mid or lat Dec is not a very long peaceful time!!! Since the Peace
Treaty (signed by the AC) will be in place, with the Arab countries, and since
the Palestinians and the surrounding nations (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and
Palestine) are taken out, Israel can DWELL IN SAFETY
WITH UNWALLED VILLAGES. Once the Palestinians are totally annihilated
the walls would be taken down and the Jews will return to Gaza and some parts of
West Bank, that is at present in the hands of the Palestinians. This is the
only way the prophet could have stated that the Jews were
“dwelling
in safety and in un-walled villages.” They would not have to worry about
the Hamas and Hezbollah in Palestine, Hezbollah in Lebanon or the Syrians or
the Jordanians or even the Egyptians for that matter, for they are either
decimated or crippled to pose any threat to the
Jews.
The next invasion
would comprise Russia
and
its surrounding nations (USSR), Germany, Turkey, Iran, Libya,
Ethiopia and other nations. When we studied
history, the Communist Russia was called the Reds, and how appropriate the Lord
calls this war, the Red Horse! Furthermore, war means bloodshed and spilling of
blood and hence it is called the Red Horse, I guess. Moreover we can see that
the immediately surrounding nations such as Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan (Moab), Syria
(Aram) are conspicuous by their absence in this war. Hence we have to assume
that they had been dealt already by Israel prior to this war. Since US does not
come to her aid, it is either because Russia has already dealt with US before
embarking on this war, or she had been crippled in the Obadiah war. Otherwise
there is no explanation why US fails to come to Israel’s aid, in view of the
fact, they are not withdrawing their full force from Iraq, which is a stone’s
throw from Israel. Furthermore, Russia would never dare to embark on this
mission with US presence is around ME. Having taken US out of the picture
Russia is emboldened to embark on this divine suicidal plan.
The Lord Himself
would have to intervene as stated in the prophesy of Ezekiel, for Israel would
be quite impotent, for at the moment, she is putting her trust on her modified
scalar
weapon (borrowed technology from US).
According to C/E (cutting edge writers), US has not really perfected it, and
even a couple of days ago, I saw in the news that the US defence missile shield
is not the best, whereas Russia, and China have perfected their scalar weapon,
which would not only paralyse the weapon launching systems of Israel but it
would just about paralyse a whole lot of other things, and then the Lord indeed
would have to intervene. When He does, only 1/6th of the
Russian coalition forces would go limping back home
(Ezekiel 39:2 only in KJV
version, NIV and others have
conveniently omitted this vital info) .
Moreover this Red
horse would not only be the war for Israel, it would signal the beginning of
world wide war all over the globe and would continue up to the Armageddon.
Brother against brother, nation against nation and kingdom against
kingdom.
First half of the
Tribulation, the AC would have LIMITED power, for the
Woman (Rome) would be riding the beast. Rome would have control over all the
world, including Jerusalem. Rome, meaning the EU, too in a way. Rome owns
royalties and governments. Religion would rule the world. Remember your
history lesson of INQUISITON? 70 million were martyred in the name of religions
and only the Lord knows how many souls are going to be martyred this time. For
the first 3 ½ yrs Rome would rule –‘Pax Romana.’ There would be horrible
persecution against the Christians.
I believe that
only after 3 ½ yrs (or the middle of 7 yrs) probably the
Little
Horn (AC) would overthrow the 3 kings.
They are literal kings, you see. The royalties around the world are not
knitting and playing polo; and it makes you wonder how they survived all these
years playing around with other people’s wives and riding horses. In fact, they
play a big part in the End Times plan. Otherwise they would have been obsolete
and redundant, and would have been erased out of the chapters of the history
long ago. Even after Cromwell, through Restoration they came BACK! At the moment they
are subservient to Rome. All roads lead to Rome,
remember?
Great
Tribulation begins with the assassination attempt on
AC, then Satan indwelling AC, the destruction of Rome, the Idol being set up in
the 3 rd Temple (the Abomination of Desolation) and the 1/3 Jews running to the
‘wilderness’ (Petra), invasion of the ‘pleasant land’, etc,
etc.
·
GREAT TRBULATION
(1260
days)
In the middle of
the 7 yrs , the AC would be wounded and his right hand and right eye would
wither.”Woe
to the worthless shepherd, who deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm
and his right eye!” – Zechariah 11:17
The AC is known as
the ‘worthless
shepherd’ for when he signs the peace treaty
with the Jews, he would hoodwink them into thinking that he would be the
guardian for Israel, and would be able to trace his blood line to King David.
They would not accept any dick, tom and harry who comes and claims
‘messiahship’.
Now in the middle
of 7 yrs, after 1260 days, probably after the AC becomes indwelt with Satan, he
would not tolerate the Religious cohort. In the beginning itself it was an
uneasy truce between Rome and AC- the unholy alliance of Politics and Religion.
After the 3 1/2 yrs, or the middle of 7 yrs, AC would not tolerate any
competition, for he would want to be worshipped and religion in any form would
not be tolerated. when AC has vanquished the ‘Woman’, he would come into
absolute power. Probably it is during that time there would be the overthrow of
the 3 kings.
·
The Abomination that causes
Desolation
In fact after the
assassination attempt, he will be sort of be ‘resurrected’, and I believe, he
will be Satan possessed. Only other person in history, who was possessed by
Satan was Jesus’ disciple Judas Iscariot. Now ‘the son of perdition’ would be
the AC. He would be totally possessed by Satan, and Satan knowing that he has
only a short time, since he gets kicked out of second heaven by Michael and his
angels at this point of time, would be full of fury and invade the
pleasant
land. The provocation for him to invade
Israel would be, perhaps, because the remnant Jews would protest at the idea of
putting up an idol in the temple (Abomination of desolation- Daniel 9:27)
whereas the rest of the 2/3rd would go along with the New world
order. When they violently oppose this edict, it would most likely be, when AC
would invade Israel. And further keep in mind, by now Rome may be a smouldering
ash (Rev 18), and his highness would want his capital in Jerusalem, just
like the Lord plans to have His throne in Zion. He would want to make Jerusalem
as his capital, in fact Jerusalem would not be good enough for him, for he
would want to have the temple, for temple is supposed to be on mount Zion. Just
like Antiochus Epiphany, he too would want to desecrate the temple and stop the
oblation and sacrifice. He would want his IDOL/ statue to be placed in the
Temple. He would want ABSOLUTE worship from everyone. That would be the time
when the 1/3rd remnant Jews would run. This is where Jesus’
admonition comes ... Matthew 24:15-30. This covers from the mid-Trib to the end, the
Armageddon.
15"So when you see standing in the holy place
'the abomination that causes desolation,'[b] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let
the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea
flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his
house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let
no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How
dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on
the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress,
unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled
again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one
would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the
Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For
false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and
miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.
26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,'
do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in
the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the
sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the
stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be
shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the
sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man
coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and
they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to
the other.
The remanet Jews
would run to a place prepared for her in the wilderness, when the idol comes up
in the temple, in the middle of the Tribulation; and at this stage theologians
speculate that it could quite possibly be Petra. You see after the first half
of the Tribulation only, we see that the Devil is addressed as “Serpent”. The
only other place that it was called a serpent was in the garden of Eden- the
first book, .... and then the last book of the Bible.
I
hope I have put the pieces in some order, but I don’t claim to KNOW everything.
You see these observations were made after reading so many books and as the End
Time is coming, some things are getting a little clearer - at last the veil or
the fog is starting to lift. Even then we may be off on so many points, for until it happens, no one
can specifically say that this is how it is going to happen. For me at
the moment, this seem to afford some semblance of order.....
but one thing we don’t
have to worry too much is that we won’t’ be here to witness it
J. Praise the Lord for
that!
“Since you have kept My command to endure
patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come
upon the whole world to test those who live on the
earth”- Revelation
3:10
Psalm 83 or Ezekiel 38, "Which Is the
Next Middle East News Headline?"
http://missing-peace-bsalhus.blogspot.com/2008/02/psalm-83-or-ezekiel-38-which-is-next.html
(After reading
the above link, my question would be
1.
where does the
little horn in the book Daniel fit into this scenario and timeline if the book
called Isralestine claims that there is an Israeli-Arab War that knocks out the
Arab nations surrounding Israel first (Psalm 83) so that Israel can dwell
safely, and Israel is later on attacked by Gog and the other nations listed in
Ezekiel 38 when Israel is then dwelling safely?
2.
When does the
little horn uproot 3 kings according to Daniel 7:8, 20 &24? When does he
enter into the glorious land (Israel) in Daniel 11:41-42 and also take over
Egypt?
3.
When does he
plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy
mountain (in Jerusalem) in Daniel 11:45?
4.
When is the
abomination of desolation set up?
5.
When does the
woman in Rev.12:14 fly into the wilderness where she is nourished for 3 1/2
years from the face of the serpent?
6.
I don't know if
the answers to my questions are found in the book Isralestine because I haven't
read it. But if the little horn has control over Israel the last 3 1/2 years
before Christ returns, how can Israel be dwelling safely unless they think that
the little horn is their saviour who saved them from the attack by their Arab
nations surrounding them, but how could he be Israel's saviour if he invades
Israel and the abomination of desolation if set up?
7.
I just don't
see how all these Bible puzzle pieces fit together.)
God’s Roadmap To Peace
In The Middle East
http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=14626