Dear Doves: Stars, Numbers, Scripture (Three bear witness?)
I really want people Doves to see if what I am thinking is right….
STARS
I believe the Stars are speaking to us.
I have been a star watcher only for the last few months. I do know about the Star of Bethlehem. I know about the wisemen coming from a long distance. What I have discovered in the last few months has literally blown me away. Most all of it has already been posted here on FiveDoves. I am simply putting some of these things together. Keep in mind this section is about Star Gears that speak to me. STAR SIGNS are separate. I want to list one here: a STAR SIGN. Pasted from:
http://www.thewayprepared.com/studies/bride-signs-heavens.html Scroll down to:>>The Eclipse of the Bride Moon
On February 21, 2008, the moon was fully covered in a Lunar eclipse, appearing next to Regulus on one side, and Saturn on the other. This sign in the heavens tells us this is the time for the Bridegroom to present the fully-veiled Bride before the Father, to ask His approval for marriage.
This is also a signal to the Bride, corresponding to the sign given to Jephtha's daughter, who was given two months in which to bewail her virginity on this earth, and to bewail all that she had hoped and dreamed for herself on this earth. But as Jephthah’s daughter willingly gave up herself to the oath of the covenant, so does the Bride, for her heavenly Bridegroom.
We do not know what happened eventually to Jephthah’s daughter, except that she knew no man. But we can say with confidence there is no need to bewail what we will miss on earth, but only to reconcile ourselves, and prepare for the heavenly marriage.
This second sign of the covered Bride is given by the Bridegroom, both for the Bride's understanding and preparation, and to confirm the first sign. We are told in Rev. 3:3 that those that watch, will not be punished by not knowing the hour of the Bridegroom's return. Perhaps these two signs tell us the time is almost at hand, to hear the midnight cry: "Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." (Matthew 25:6)<< ((Just my quick insert here…pay attention to numbers as you read this post. I want to bring to your attention that date…February 21, 2008 and 2 months from Judges 11:38))Now back to Star Gears:
- The first Star Gear is a 6-7 year cycle/gear in the heavens (I am a mechanical engineer). I paste from:
http://www.thewayprepared.com/studies/bride-signs-heavens.html Scroll down to:
(Bill’s site has many items that add to This Spring Message. This is not to put him on a pedestal, not to say that I agree with everything he posts, but to say he has many more things that should be listed here, but I am going to condense to reach a plain and simple conclusion….all these gears lining up have a message.)>>The Heavenly Message and its Significance
So what is the message spoken by the Gospel written in the Heavens? The Sun and Mercury have run the same race every 6 to 7 years in the general vicinity of Pisces. Likewise there have been many conjunctions of the Sun and Mercury. However, it is very rare that these conjunctions occur at the cords holding the fish. Having fast-forwarded the computer program and noted all conjunctions for the next 100 years, there are very few possibilities. One of these is very near to us now, even at the door.
We must ask ourselves, "What is the significance of this sign in the heavens for today?" It is clear that the heavenly signs were put there by Yahweh not to create Truth, but only to confirm Truth Yahweh has already spoken, though concealed, in the Scriptures.
The significance may be seen in all the prophetic words, names, and numbers found in Scripture. All that is considered Truth must be based on Scripture. Anything we think we see, must be held loosely, not dogmatically, even as loose-fitting pieces of a great puzzle. We then move these pieces around to see if the pictures and the shapes match. We can not force the pieces to fit. We must allow the Holy Spirit to reveal His Truth to us, in His timing.<<So….summarizing and reminding you, this first Star Gear is a 6-7 year cycle in the heavens. It lines up with SPRING 2008.
- The second Star Gear is an 18-19 year cycle/gear in the heavens. I knew nothing of saros 3 months ago. This site has a good general explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saros_cycle I have pasted here a FiveDove post from Cindy one year ago: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2007/cindyb416-4.htm
>>Cindy Busch (16 Apr 2007)
"to Steve Berryman 2007 rapture vs. 2008 rapture and the SAROS year"
Steve and doves,
This is only thing in my mind that would hold back the rapture this year, it's the fact that the Saros year preceded His birth and resurrection and it could again, ref. Psalm 19! This year begins the Saros year again. . .
THE SAROS: 7 ECLIPSES IN A 12 MONTH + SPAN NUMBER TYPE DATE
1 Solar, partial, Saturday (Shabbat) February 17, 2007
2 Lunar, Saturday (Shabbat) March 3, 2007
3 Solar, partial, Monday March 19, 2007
4 Lunar, Tuesday, August 28, 2007
5 Solar, partial, Tuesday, September 11, 2007
6 Solar, FULL, Thursday, February 7, 2008
7 Lunar, Thursday, February 21, 2008 <<(I did not include Cindy’s whole post….)
So, this second Star Gear is a 18-19 year event that preceded His birth, and then again His resurrection, and now as Cindy, I believe it will precede His coming for His Bride. There were Jews watching the stars in the days of Jesus, the phenomena of saros was well known, they knew they were significant, they were expecting something different. We should not miss this one. Have you noticed something? That very last Lunar eclipse was the one referenced above in the Eclipse of the Moon Bride (I just saw this as I wrote)! The saros is a cycle that has many solar moon eclipses, but how interesting that the there is a huge display of SEVEN in the first year with a climax on a very specific date: SPRING 2008 with a 2 month warning. It is more than just a sign (with a message), I also see it as a star/gear! It is not enough that it “happens” in the year leading up to something significant, no it has climax in the appointed season, perhaps on the very day. This year it is SPRING 2008. I am guessing here, but I believe the saros prior to the birth and resurrection of our King also were in the “right” season and the other Star Signs were speaking the Word in the skys just as they are now. Can someone check the seasons of those first two saros? I am guessing the finger of G-d was on those as well, perhaps to the day.
- The third Star Gear has a frequency of a seven year cycle (I am not clear on this one, but it actually may be even greater.) Here it is: The Lords Feasts were scheduled according to the spring AND fall equoinox. The start of the new year (for Kings) is spring. It starts, not by a “pure equinox” but by the new moon after the equinox (and many other issues like the barley had to be in season, and cloud covering could effect verifying the moon.) Fourteen days later is Passover, the day after that starts a seven day feast known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first SUNDAY after Passover is called Feast of First Fruits (Resurrection Sunday!). I am not sure myself, but things are pointing to one Hebrew calendar. It matters who you talk to and to which church you belong. I think a revelation is coming here for this third Star Gear. What I write is only what I am thinking (about one particular Hebrew calendar), AND if it doesn’t fit, this should not be considered the third Star Gear. So, the YEAR Jesus was crucified HAD to have the new year begin on a specific New Moon AND day of the week, so that Sunday would fall on the second day of Unlevened Bread. (Jesus said he would rise the THIRD day which included the count of Passover.) We really can’t go back and see if the barley was ready, and know if they “really” saw the moon. But we know really close. So anyway, Jesus knew 14 days in advance that Sunday was going to be on HIS third day. (I’m sure others have seen this, but it is fresh to me. It speaks that maybe the Bride will also know only a short time in advance. It had to be that He was going to be in the ground 3 days and 3 nights. Resurrection had to be on Sunday for other reasons I will not explain here, but that year, and only 14 days in advance, did Jesus really know for sure that he was in the right YEAR! This third Star Gear if I am right, is as much required as it was for Christ to see that SUNDAY fit. This is the reason….numbering of the days of the week, Sunday being first, thru Saturday (the Sabbath), have NEVER been lost from the very beginning. In other words, calendars have changed, but Sunday has ALWAYS followed Saturday. The third Star Gear the day of the week, has to be a certain day. If I am right fine. If I am not, the Lord will work it out without this third gear. So to summarize, this is a seven year gear/cycle because a day of the week (a day for each of the seven days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, must be a certain number of days after Passover. It was 2 for resurrection SUNDAY, I would guess that Christ was born on the first day of the week….SUNDAY.)
Ok, the three Star Gears are all on different frequencies or gear/cycles, for all of them to line up this spring, and some to a specific day…. mind boggling. The mathematics on it is probably one year in a ten thousand, or one in a million, if not totally without probability, because He controls the heavens. The world truly is in His hands.
Why was it necessary for Christ to rise on Sunday, could probably be taught by someone better than I, but for me it is enough that it was the start of a NEW Week and NEW life. (Sunday has always been the first day of the week for Jews.) Wait till you see the day of the week for the Bride! I will address that later.
(Keep in mind, this may have already been revealed and posted by someone else. To me this is fresh, and has me on fire.)
NUMBERSNumbers and Stars put most Christians nervously on their seat.
The number 21 has many spiritual meanings: revelation; providence (in His control); one place-I lost the source, said it meant Providential Preventative Suffering; another source said it refers to the bride. Just yesterday I was prompted to read about a woman’s cycle. Sure enough, at this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MenstrualCycle2.png you see that a woman’s hormones peak on day 21. Some of you already knew that, but before I went searching, I figured something would be significant with 21. It speaks of the Bride being ready.
The number 7 means completed / perfected, whole, and is everywhere around us. The number of days of a week is the focus of this message. Being an engineer, I have the habit of creating 3D images in my mind….I was “looking” at our solar system (Planets around the sun) from above and watching it move in its huge oval orbit within the Milky Way. I was reminded that the earth passes in front of the path of the sun close to the spring equinox. It was then I thought “How long would it take for the sun to pass the very point the earth is at?” So, with respect to the Milky Way, how long does it take for the Sun to arrive at the point the earth “was”. You guessed it…SEVEN DAYS..(6.9+). (May I suggest a message: The Son takes seven days to take the Bride, (the moon) from her earthly father in spring! This just came to me!)
Six trips around Jericho. Seven trips around on the seventh day. A Jewish bride and her entourage march around the Groom seven times. Seven days of unleavened bread. The counting of the omer was seven sevens. A Jubilee period is 50, but really it is the day after seven sevens and that day after was used in counting again seven sevens. Seven sevens is a counting for Harvest.The number 3 speaks of resurrection which “Just so happened on the first day of the week??”, the Trinity, and so much more. It is embedded with our very being…body, soul and spirit.
Numbers are messages. What day of the week do you suppose The Bride will be taken? Now, really think about it! See what happens this year!!
Numbers point and confirm. When your days in prison are almost up…you count days. When spring came, the Jewish Bride would begin to count because she knew waiting was almost over. If I were her, I would possibly peek in to see the progress of what the Father was up to. She had to be getting excited. She knew it was only days away. I think there were finishing touches that had to be done to the added room. If I were a Jewish father of the Groom, I would go secretly to the Bride and whisper in her ear “When you see this hanging on the house, know that it is “x” days away.” I am not stretching imagination here. Maybe he would send someone with a secret message. Jewish brides required a seven day purification period. The Fathers groom would want the bride ready. Only the father knew right? Don’t you think the Heavenly Father is in love with His Sons Bride? Let me tell you He is!
SCRIPTURE
Scripture is understood differently. We should not be surprised by that. It clearly declares that the wise will understand in the end. It was meant to be hidden until the end. We all sense the end is drawing close. I have been expecting the Word to become clear. I have been expecting that as we saw that day approaching we would be assembling more and more together. It still has not happened, but maybe we are close. I believe we will soon meet everyday.I think that the Feast of Unleavened Bread is the key to all of this being this year. I think that the Feast of Unleavened Bread is all about the Bridegroom and the Bride. The feast has been buried and hidden because the Jews today celebrate Passover as an eight day event. It was not meant to be that way. The Lord called them two feasts. We no longer are on the Jewish calendar (changed by the Catholic Church…hum..) (there are two main Jewish calendars recognized today….still arguing about this…hum…) Read what the Word says, G-d has it recorded for us to plainly read today. The first day was a solemn assembly, it was a Sabbath on which no work was to be done. (Friday was a Sabbath, the first full day Christ was in the ground.) The men were to assemble in Jerusalem on the first and last days of that feast. This year, this day has the finger of the Lord pointing. The first day of Unleavened Bread this year (day after Passover), (starts Sunday eve, April 20th, but mostly on Georgians Monday April 21st …Nisan 15…notice 21, but this is not the 21 I am looking at…), (You must be thinking this guy is leading us to celebrate a feast that is over.) The LAST day of the feast (this year starts Saturday eve April 26th, but mostly on Georgians Sunday April 27th…..Nisan 21) was also to be a solemn assembly, also a Sabbath on which no work was to be done, with all men present…(it was usually celebrated with everyone coming to Jerusalem!!!!…hum…) Coincidental all of this??? Is this really Saturday or Sunday…the LAST GREAT DAY OF THE FEAST?…hum. ….well….the Jews have an expression called the “twinkling of an eye” go here: http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2008/samo216.htm This moment right between Saturday and Sunday…literally ties them together….I think this may be it. This site has Scripture known well to the Jews…. I must insert that this does NOT have to be it, there are other times of the day that seem to fit.
Now getting back to the Feast of Unleavened Bread…I struggled when I started researching this feast. There is so much that has been lost in history. I did discover that some early Jewish readings for this feast day spoke of purification and readiness…hum… I also found that a Jewish bride has a special seven day purification period…hum… I also found she has special baths to perform before the wedding…hum…this really sounds like the seven day feast of Unleavened Bread. Bread with out leaven is interesting….without sin… the Jewish Bride and Groom are considered without sin during their wedding ceremony!!….hum. There is more, the early Jewish readings for the Feast of Unleavened bread included readings from the book of Ruth…Ruth and Boaz. (Today Jews read Ruth on Pentecost…hum…I think this was a cover up.) The story of Ruth is truly exciting for the Bride of Christ. It plainly shows a Gentile woman. I plainly shows that they were married quickly. It shows Ruth was working in the barley fields. It is barley that is what the Feast of Unleavened Bread is about…the offering of the two sheaths (not loaves as at Pentecost). The sheaths were offered on First Fruits (on the first Sunday after Passover). How interesting that this feast is described as a separate feast and yet it is celebrated as one today…hum…I think G-d has an appointment for us. The Passover is over, but the Feast of Unleavened Bread is not.
You see, there is a large following of watchers who are looking at First Fruits as the Rapture, the reason is simple, there are many Scriptures that support that day, just as there are many Scripture for Pentecost, more on this later. I have thought for some time that it would be on the LAST day of the Feast…(I always thought that maybe the graves would open up on First Fruits, and then the Rapture on the LAST day, causing all of us to think we were “left behind”..but now I am delighted to see, and I had never considered it until right now….they are BOTH on the same LAST day…Yes! The graves open up and we follow them on the same DAY BETWEEN DAYS….TWINKLING.. I say this because the Bride has a seven day purification period and she will not be ready on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Perhaps there will be a sign, a sign to get ready (I believe there is…others do to.) I caution my brothers and sisters that this might be the real cry “The Bridegroom cometh, Go ye out to meet Him.” I could be wrong here. (PLEASE understand, I do not understand completely, I am sharing what I think, and I would like you Doves to weigh in on this.) This last day of Unleavened Bread should be a huge celebration and should not be missed by our households.
Remember how the Lord required solemn assemblies on the first and last days of the feast? I think those solemn assemblies have a two fold purpose. There were meant so that Jews could witness what G-d had planned on those appointed days. The seven Feasts given by G-d were called G-d’s appointed times!! The feast of Pentecost was a solemn assembly, we know that Jews from all nations witnessed the Holy Spirit being poured out on those gathered (also in a solemn assembly) and they all Spoke in Tongues and had tongues of Holy Fire on their heads. This is why I think there was meant to be a solemn assembly on the LAST day of the Feast… (That LAST day of the feast Jesus often referred to…Jew were taught…was to be filled with Joy…hum) G-d wants the Jews to witness an appointment of Joy. I think their eyes will be opened this time.The question is what is the correct calendar. Among Bible scholars, the questions of days of worship and Feasts have always been heated…thankfully this is recorded in Scripture and we were instructed to not get bent out of shape…it was meant to be revealed… in the end. The Jews still argue about the new year, (therefore feasts). The Christians are more divided by the day of worhip rather than the Hebrew calendar. We have taken our eyes off the start of the new Jewish year because the calendar was changed…hum.
Today most of the Western World is on the Georgian calendar and it very important to note that days on that calendar begin at midnight. Two Jewish Calendars differ this year by one day, sometimes they match. The Jewish new year begins on Nisan 1 (also called Aviv) It was determined just a couple days ago by one Jewish group (I call Grp1), that Nisan 1 is April 7th not April 6th.
One Jewish calendar (Grp 1) for calculating the New Year:
http://www.theopenscroll.com/email/20080407.htm
For (Grp 1):
Nisan 1 begins in the evening on Monday April 7th in Jerusalem. (Considered mostly Tuesday)
Nisan 14 (Passover begins the evening of Sunday April 20th in Jerusalem.
Nisan 15 (First day of Unleavened Bread begins on the evening of Tuesday April 21st in Jerusalem
Nisan 21 (First Fruits-(first Sunday after Passover) AND the Last day of Unleavened Bread begins on the evening of Sunday April 27th in JerusalemA second Jewish calendar (Grp 2) for calculating the New Year is commonly on printed calendars. It is established by “formulas” for “knowing” when the first New Moon would be sighted in Jerusalem. (Note this is the calendar recognized by the Eastern Orthodox Church. This also is what most Jews today celebrate)
For (Grp 2):
Nisan 1 begins in the evening on Sunday April 6th in Jerusalem. (Mostly on our Monday, our April 7th)
Nisan 14 (Passover begins the evening of Saturday April 19th in Jerusalem (the following 24 hours is Passover for them. So Nisan 14 is a Sunday Passover mostly on April 20th)
Nisan 15 (the First day of Unleavened Bread begins on the evening of Sunday April 20st in Jerusalem, mostly on April 21st)
Nisan 21 (Frist Fruits Sunday, AND the Last day of Unleavened Bread begins on the evening of Saturday April 26th in Jerusalem. So this is considered a Sunday…mostly on Sunday April 27th)Note 1: http://www.jewfaq.org/holidaya.htm here is more information on Jewish Passover this year.
I have studied calendars and it is one of the most disgusting subjects. It should not be this hard…hum…I think darkness has something to do with this ….to cover to hide… to keep this important date ahead of us hidden. The enemy wants to trap many, but Jesus the Good Shepard has a plan with more hidden truths, they will be revealed in their time.
Have you not heard that the Jews are so concerned about a Fall Feast that they celebrate it on two days, because they are “afraid” of missing it…(Something for us to consider and not be putting down each other. Just maybe we should be looking at both days….maybe no one really knows the day or hour…maybe we only think we know…. I am going to be looking at both.Note the dates of three calendars listed above (Jew 1 with Georgian) and (Jew 2 with Georgian.) These are all at Jerusalem time. A good time zone converter helps, I suggest http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ because it shows the day number and the day of the week for the cities listed.)
….whether this is right or wrong…we are in the END…it IS time to Watch and PRAY…
I know just as the prayers of my grandmother were answered after she died, so many of our prayers will be answered after we are gone….Pray for souls…this is laboring in the Harvest. He wants us in the fields.
