Can't help but copy this from RITA site and post it here.......

Monty, you said, "I take this to mean that no true Christian shall ever perish, and that no one, not Satan, not any man, not even we ourselves can pluck us out of His hand."

If the part about "not even ourselves can pluck us out of His hand" is true, then what or who managed to "pluck" Adam and Eve out of His hand right at the beginning? They, I'm sure you will agree, were as "true" children of God as true can be. So what happened? How did Satan manage to 'pluck' Eve who is a true daughter of His away from His Hand and disobeyed God's only command not to eat the fruit if you say not even Satan can do it? And if no true Christian could ever perish as you say, how come Adam being a true son perished and died eventually at 930 years old and fulfilled the word that said " on the day you sin you shall die"? ( by not crossing 1000 years old which is a day to God ) as warned by God directly to Him?

Was God's hand too slippery for them at that time when He had only the two of them to 'hold'? ( not like today where He's easily 'holding' millions at any one time )

If what you say is true, then God could have prevented these few thousand years of pain and suffering with sooo many going to hell RIGHT FROM THE START! Why didn't He or why couldn't He if He is the same yesterday, today and forever since He can do that today ( not allowing even us to 'pluck' ourselves from His hand no matter what we choose to do after we have become His )We wouldn't have to be discussing these issues today over and over if He had prevented it right from the beginning cause there'll be no issue and Jesus didn't have to come and die on the cross either!!

The Bible also says that the will of God is not wanting ANY to perish. So that should be it! Its HIS WILL isn't it? So why are there so many going to hell and still going there even as we 'speak'. What is plucking all these people from His Hand(or will)? God IS ALMIGHTY, can't He prevent all these people from going to hell to fulfill HIS WILL if he can even stop ( or overlook ) Christians from walking away from Him even when they fall into all kinds of temptation willfully today?

From your statement above, it should apply because its the same principle all round and He says He changes not!

To side track a bit but keeping the relevancy, every human being ever born or even aborted upon the earth are essentially/technically His Children as we all need the breath of life from Him before we can even become living beings. If so, then technically, all those going to hell are also His Children? So can we say that He IS SENDING HIS CHILDREN TO HELL!!?? ( disobedient and unbelieving but nevertheless, are 'originally' His? )( So what's all the fuss about "He won't send His children to hell" to strengthen the stand on "eternal salvation" which His children often debate about and somehow claim some sort of 'special immunity' as His children )

To just put an abrupt end to this, I'll just quote 1stCor8:2...."And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know." ( I will very quickly include myself in this verse )