This is from a discussion that I have been engaged in on a legal website where many lawyers have no sense of right or wrong. They try to make distinctions between morals and values (as if they are different). The following discourse shows just how redicilous they can get trying to run from God. It also goes to show how one can effectively tear apart arguments of the unrighteous and clearly show their folly.

One lawyer wrote that he was not interested in legislating morals to which I replied

I am not interested in legislating morals.

So you don't have a problem with me murdering you!

Do you have any idea just how ridiculous your statement is. You have absolutely no problem with theft, battery, murder, forgery, etc.

Then another one tried to redefine what "morals" are.

C'MON. LET'[S not get too flip. Those are not necessarily "moral" issues. They are part of the "social contact" -- remmeber that term from Political Science 101? I agree not to do those things to you, and you agree not to do them to me, and we will establish a government to enforce that. Those are rules of common sense that help people survive in proximity with each other. Come to think of it, maybe the definition of "moral" is "the application of common sense."
Jeffrey liss, Chicago ---

To which I responded:

Please those things are right in the 10 commandments long before, Locke, Hobbs or Thomas Payne and I'll bet you that they knew them by heart.

And later followed up with:

Jeff,

What makes something moral or immoral if the issues of murder and theft are not moral values? I feel like I'm Alice in Wonderland. We should try using the same dictionary. Changing the meaning of words is disingenuous.

moral

5 entries found for moral.
To select an entry, click on it. Main Entry: ¹mor·al

Pronunciation: 'mor-&l, 'mär-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin moralis, from mor-, mos custom
1 a : of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL <moral judgments> b : expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior <a moral poem> c : conforming to a standard of right behavior d : sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment <a moral obligation> e : capable of right and wrong action <a moral agent>
2 : probable though not proved : VIRTUAL <a moral certainty>
3 : having the effects of such on the mind, confidence, or will <a moral victory> <moral support>
- mor·al·ly

/-&-lE/ adverb
synonyms MORAL, ETHICAL, VIRTUOUS, RIGHTEOUS, NOBLE mean conforming to a standard of what is right and good. MORAL implies conformity to established sanctioned codes or accepted notions of right and wrong <the basic moral values of a community>. ETHICAL may suggest the involvement of more difficult or subtle questions of rightness, fairness, or equity <committed to the highest ethical principles>. VIRTUOUS implies the possession or manifestation of moral excellence in character <not a religious person, but virtuous nevertheless>. RIGHTEOUS stresses guiltlessness or blamelessness and often suggests the sanctimonious <wished to be righteous before God and the world>. NOBLE implies moral eminence and freedom from anything petty, mean, or dubious in conduct and character <had the noblest of reasons for seeking office>.

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In a message dated 04/04/06 4:44:27 PM Central Daylight Time, rouleau-law@afo.net writes:

I am not interested in legislating morals.

So you don't have a problem with me murdering you!

Do you have any idea just how ridiculous your statement is. You have absolutely no problem with theft, battery, murder, forgery, etc.

C'MON. LET'[S not get too flip. Those are not necessarily "moral" issues. They are part of the "social contact" -- remmeber that term from Political Science 101? I agree not to do those things to you, and you agree not to do them to me, and we will establish a government to enforce that. Those are rules of common sense that help people survive in proximity with each other. Come to think of it, maybe the definition of "moral" is "the application of common sense."
Jeffrey liss, Chicago ---