Hi John,Your comments at the end of yesterdays post called "The Art and Science of Gematria" are interesting. You said:
>Thanks, Richard. The sum of the eight gematrias of Theos is
>the sum of Lord Jesus four times!
>1223 = Lord Jesus
>1688 = Lord Jesus>5822 = Lord Jesus + Lord Jesus + Lord Jesus + Lord Jesus
>8 Gematrias of God = 4 Gematrias of Lord + 4 Gematrias of Jesus
The first value of the Lord Jesus (1223) comes from the vocative case, which is the case used when speaking directly to him. This phrase is used only twice in Scripture:
Acts 7.59: And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Rev 22.20: He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Note that both are are Spoke 22. This means this phrase is a KeyLink, it appears nowhere else in the Bible. The final Spoke is the Spoke of Consummation, it relates to Tav and the Cross. Stephen's walk of Faith was consummated in his martyrdom, and he spoke directly to the Lord. This is similar to the end of Time when Jesus returns, like the second to last verse of Revelation, when we will speak directly to Jesus.
The second value 1688 is from the nominative Kurios Ihsous, which also happens to coincide with the genitive Kuriou Ihsou (which means "of the Lord Jesus"). This construction occurs frequently in the Bible.
Now the interesting thing is that I didn't list all the possible ways of writing "God." Most notable, I didnt' list the vocative The'e = 19, which is the case used to arrive at the value 1223 for Lord Jesus. Also, your list of values of Lord Jesus was incomplete, missing for example the dative Kuriwi Ihsou = 2028, and the accusative Kurion Ihsoun = 1388.
So this means that summing all nine forms of "God" gives us the number 5841, which may or may not be related to multiples of some selected sums of the title "Lord Jesus." The problem is that you didn't use the vocative on one side of the equation, but you did on the other. This seems unbalanced. It seems that there is no consistent methodology being used here. Let me put it like this:
Is there any reason to think that this would be part of God's intended design of the alphanumeric structure of the Greek Language? Why would He want us to add up some but not all of the various forms of the word "God" and then connect that to a multiple of the sum of some but not all of the title "Lord Jesus?" For that matter, what meaning is there in combining the values of various grammatical forms of these words?
Let me try to explain myself a little more. The thing that many people don't realize is how many numbers you can get from a small set. For example, we have nine numbers associated with God. We can add any group of them together, like you did with the two forms of Lord Jesus. How many numbers can we get this way? The answer is 2^n where n is the number of numbers we begin with. In the case of God, there are 9, so the answer is 2^9 = 512 numbers. Now when we compare this set with another set, like the numbers relating to the Lord Jesus, we have another 512 numbers to consider. This means we have over one THOUSAND numbers to play with, generated just by the word "God" and the name "Lord Jesus". This is a "numerical soup" ... it would require an incredibly HUGE effort to try to discover God's design in all this, if indeed there is any, and to distinguish it from random chance.
This is why I am so adamant about the Foundation of Gematria.
Good chatting John. Keep up the good work,
Richard
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Thanks, Richard.
John