Joe Hoyle (17 Apr 2004)
"REPLY TO DONNA DANNA"


HI DONNA
 
I do stand corrected on the Revelation 19:8,14 verses.
Revelation 19:8 does describe the Lambs Wife as be "arrayed in fine linen, clean and white
Revelation 19:14 does describe the heavenly army as being "arrayed in fine linen, white and clean".
My eyes were obviously playing tricks on me at that hour; because all I saw was those Scriptures both being written one way.
 
But my original premise is still the same, and that being that the members of the Lambs Wife and the members of the heavenly armies and two and the same ones.
And the premise that they are Raptured and placed there in Heaven before the Lord Jesus is seen coming back to Earth by the Gospel writers, and seen sending forth angels to gather together the rest of the non Raptured Saints who are scattered from one end of Heaven and Earth to the other end; in what post trib people believes is the Rapture.
 
Also in Revelation 19, in relation to 8 and 14 verses speaking of "fine linen"; verse 8 also says of the 'fine linen'; "for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints".
So obviously, the Lambs Wife and the heavenly army who are both seen wearing the "fine linen", are the two and the same Saints.
They are the Bride, who is also seen as the clouds (armies) that are seen coming to do battle at Armageddon.
And of course these armies aren't made up of angels, because you described their attire, which is a different attire.
 
 
And yes, you're right about the Zechariah 14:5 Scripture--"and the Lord my God shall come, and all the Saints with thee". (Note: All those Saints being the ones, both dead and alive who were found "worthy" to be there.)
I'll also make mention of Jude 14-15--"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints".
"To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
 
 
Also, of course there will be angels being involved in the Second Coming, because they are obviously seen being sent forth to gather all non Bride/Wife Saints from the uttermost parts of Heaven and Earth.
But angels are spoken in terms of being banded into "LEGIONS", rather than into "ARMIES".
The Lord Jesus did once speak of there being the possibly of more than 12 legions being sent in order to help him.
The number 12 being the square root of 144; I can speculate on there possibly being 144 legions of angels being involved with the Second Coming, if not more; and I'm sure that Michael the Archangel will be at his best. <G>
And since the Romans were in control during the time of the Lord Jesus, He was probably using the Roman count to number a legion.
A Roman legion numbered between 3,000 and 6,000 infantrymen and between 100 and 200 cavalrymen.
So yeah, there will be a great number of angels involved there.
 
 
In closing I want to add one more comment or two.
The Second Coming will be a prime example of the ten virgin parable.
The armies of Heaven consisting of the Bride/Wife is a perfect example of the five wise virgins who was let in for the marriage before the door was shut.
While the ones being gathered together from the uttermost parts of Earth and Heaven at the end is a perfect example of the five foolish virgins, who were left behind and absent from the marriage.
Both the wise and foolish virgins represents Christian's; the wise Christian's are gathered first and are members of the marriage feast seen in Revelation 19.
While foolish Christian's are ones gathered as well, but at the end, and coming out of great tribulation.
 
The bottom line is that the post tribulation crowd just might get what they're promoting.
They may just not be gathered until the end; when the angels comes along to grab them up; unless they have been killed first, that being a much greater possibility.
In that event they will then among those be grabbed out of Heaven some where by the angels.
What they expect to happen with them, with probably happen with them.
If they expect to be around through to post trib; then that will probably happen for them.
Me, I'll still stand on the below Scripture.
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(LUKE 21:36)
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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