HELLO AND GREETINGS TO EVERYONE
 
  The post tribulation viewpoint is that the Rapture will happen at the tail end of the tribulation.Their theology is that the Rapture will coincide with the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus back to Earth, and at the time of Armageddon.
 They base their beliefs basically on the below Scripture from three of the four Gospels.
 
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(MATTHEW 24:30-31)
 30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
  (MARK 13:26-27)
 26) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.27) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
 
  (LUKE 21:27)
 27) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
 
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    The problem with basing the Rapture on the above Scriptures only, is firstly because there is more to the whole story than that; and secondly because the above Scripture is only one dimension of a three dimensional picture.
 The key to this whole 3-D picture rests with the word "CLOUD(S)" from three of the above verses.
 
  The two Jewish writers, Matthew and Mark, writes of the Lord Jesus coming "on clouds"--plural, many in number.
 While the lone Gentile writer Luke writes of Him coming "on a cloud"--singular, only one.
 So who is right; is there multiple number of clouds involved, or is there only one single cloud involved?The answer is that they are all right, and I'll show the answer to this down near the bottom.
 
  So one of the first questions is, what exactly are these clouds; and what do they consist of?
 Are they Cirrus clouds, or Cumulus clouds or some other such natural clouds?
 Or are they some type of special heavenly clouds?
 Or are they made up of some type of life form, or live beings of some kind?
 To repeat, the above Scripture is only one dimension of a three dimension picture concerning these clouds.The above scriptural picture from the Gospels is just one dimension that's being viewed from this Earth by its inhabitants, and at a pretty good distance.....and it is a view of the Lord Jesus of course, coming "ON CLOUDS".
 
    The second dimensional view is a heavenly snapshot of the very same view at a closer view point; and that is found in Revelation 1:7 below.
 Where as Matthew's Gospel speaks of the ones watching from Earth of His approach as being in "mourning"; the Revelation Scripture speaks of them as "wailing"; so this certainly sounds like the same scene being viewed.
 
  And interestingly, this closer view shows the Lord Jesus coming "WITH CLOUDS", rather them Him coming "ON CLOUDS" as viewed from the greater Earth distance.
 We can only conclude that these clouds that are seen coming with the Lord Jesus, seem to in association with Him some how, and are traveling along with Him and accompanying Him.
 So who or what are these clouds that are seen coming along with the Lord Jesus?
 Does the preceding verse of Revelation 1:6 below give an identification to those clouds?
 Are those clouds traveling with the Lord Jesus actually "kings and priests"? AKA "THE BRIDE"?
 And you'll note that John the Revelator also included and identified himself with this group.
 The above Scripture references are below.
 
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(REVELATION 1:6-7)
 6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
 7) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
 
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 The third and last view of this 3-D view is even a closer view and the best one yet; and it is the view from within Heaven itself; and is found in Revelation 19, starting with verse 11.Here, John the Revelator watches as the window of Heaven is opened; and John names three things that he sees.
 The first thing John notices is a great white horse.
 The second thing he see is the rider on the horse; who is identified as being called "FAITHFUL AND TRUE", as well as the "WORD OF GOD.
 His clothing is described as a vesture dipped in blood; and He is crowned with many crowns.
 A two edged sword is seen coming from His mouth, and His eyes are seen as eyes of fire.
 The Lord Jesus is seen as being of a fierce countenance indeed, and this is obviously what all the mourning and wailing on Earth is all about, because He is coming back to wipe out all who calls themselves His enemy.
 He is now viewed as a judge, and is set to make war
 
  And then the third thing that John sees when the window of Heaven is opened, is the vast armies of Heaven gathered there with the Lord Jesus, and who "FOLLOWED" Him upon white horses.
 Every member of these armies is seen "arrayed in fine linen, clean and white".
 So who are these beings making up these armies; are they angels or what?
 And are these who are dressed out all in white, and riding upon white horses, and seen following the Lord Jesus the same ones referred to as clouds, who are seen with Him, as the inhabitants of Earth looks on, and wails and mourns?
 The Spiritual minded person will say yes, they are; while the religious minded will just probably make excuses.
 The above Scripture referenced is below.
 
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(REVELATION 19:11-14)
 11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
 12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
 13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
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  Moving on now, the Scripture tells exactly who these being are.
 They are identified as the Wife of the Lamb, the Lamb obviously being Christ Jesus, and this group is seen appearing at the marriage feast of the Lamb just prior to becoming members of His armies.
 And they are also furthered identified as members of the both the Bride and of the armies, because they appear at the marriage feast wearing the very same garments as they are seen wearing while sitting on the horses; that being of them "arrayed in fine linen, clean and white".
 The Scripture referenced above is below
 
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(REVELATION 19:7-9)
 7) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
 8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
 9) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
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  So its very clear, or it should be anyway, that the armies of Heaven is the Bride, and the Bride and Lamb had already set down to the marriage feast prior to their return to Earth to contend and defeat the forces of evil.Both common sense and Spiritual sense says that those "clouds" seen coming with the Lord Jesus in transit in Revelation  1:7, and those "clouds" that He appears to be "on" as seen from Earth by its inhabitants, is really the armies of Saints, aka the Bride, who is close quartered together into various armies, while riding white horses, and wearing "fine linen, clean and white", which would obviously give them the appearance of being "clouds" from a distance.
 But they're not just clouds; they're the Bride who has been already been Raptured prior to the return to Earth of the Lord Jesus to finish His business at Armageddon.
 
  Now as far as Matthew and Mark calling these armies clouds, while Luke called them a cloud.
 The calling of them as being clouds, refers to them as being the "armies which were in Heaven".
 The act of Luke calling them "a cloud" is in keeping with the Scripture calling them "His army" upon their return to Earth.
 So in Heaven, they're referred to as the "armies which were in Heaven" (Revelation 19:14); and when back to Earth, they're referred to simply "His army"(Revelation 19:19).
 Now I'm not quite sure why Luke would identify numerous clouds ( many armies), as being one cloud (one army); but I believe that he is pointing to all these various armies as being of one body, which of course what the Lambs Wife/Bride is.
 
   Then the question remains to whom those were that the Lord Jesus was sending angels out to the uttermost parts of Heaven and Earth to gather, since the Bride had already been assembled, and seen coming back with Him.
 The ones on Earth being gathered are the ones who weren't Raptured; they were either the lukewarm types who had been about other business other that the business of the Lord Jesus prior to the Rapture, or they had became believers during the tribulation.
 
  The ones being gathered in Heaven are ones who had died, but was not part of the Bride group.
 It is a fallacy to think that ALL dead Christian's will be Raptured.
 The Scripture just says that the dead Christian's will be raised; but it doesn't say that ALL of them will be raised. 
 
 We need to remember that my signoff Scripture at the bottom here has always been in effect, going back all through the ages; the Luke 21:36 Scripture has always been meant for everyone living during their own life time.
 There have always been Christian's all through the ages, who have thought that His second coming was imminent, and they would have been keeping the commandment to watch and Pray in order to be found worthy of escape.
 Unfortunately His coming didn't occur in their life time, but there were always a small group who remained obedient and faithful to His Word; and these will be the ones who will be part of the Bride.
 
  While the majority who kept no watch, and who were lukewarm, and probably indifferent to Spiritual matters and the Word, and probably wasn't part of the watch group during their, and their will remain in Heaven (Paradise) until they are gathered together with everyone else at the Second Coming.
 The Lord Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever; which means His Word.......all of it, has been meant for every generation, and it was meant as much for the dead during their time as much as it's meant for the living now.
 
  Now some may want to call this ingathering a second Rapture; or just THE RAPTURE; but I don't call it that.
 I just look at it as being a general gathering together of all Christian's who are outside the Bride group; both the ones who are alive, as well as the ones who are dead.
 Observant Jews from through the ages may also be included with this group as well.
 The Bride is not, and does not involve all Christian's inclusive, like many wants to promote.
 The many are called, but few are chosen principle is still in effect here.
 
  If every Christian is included in the Bride, both dead and alive; then the 10 virgin parable should have the five foolish virgins with empty vessels included with the five wise virgins with full vessels, when the bridegroom comes to take them all home.
 But thats not the case; one group was obedient to the commandment to have full vessels of oil, and the other group was not obedient, and came up empty when the time came to leave.
 This was a clear separation parable; and this is how it will be with both living and dead Christians.
 They will be separated according to their obedience or disobedience during their lives.
 And this is why all dead Christian's won't be included in the Rapture; just the so called "worthy" ones who are found obedient and faithful as outlines by the Lord Jesus in His Scripture.
 Ones Salvation of itself is still not an automatic ticket to be included as part of the Bride group.
 
  And there is a separation going on now; and I was shown a series of Scripture last Sunday on this very thing that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere by anyone; and I will report on that soon.
 I'll just say that when everybody stops seeing 11:11 so much; it may mean that the number is fading for the purpose being of important anymore; and the separation may then for all intensive purposes may be complete.
 
  As with the five foolish virgins, there was a time when it became too late to get  a vessel full of oil and still enter through the door before it was shut and before the separation became complete.
 There are foolish virgins around today who may wait too long to get a full vessel; in regard to being obedient.
 Last calls are going out now; to both Christian and secular types alike.
 Which may be why the number 11:11 has caught the eye and attention of both groups.
 Again, I'll have more on this soon.
 
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(LUKE 21:36)
 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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